Why Everyone Wanders Off Into The Woods-Interview with Lincoln Stoller

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Caregiving can turn your whole nervous system into a smoke alarm, and when dementia enters the picture, even “normal” conversations stop working. We talk with Lincoln Stollert, a quantum physicist, neuropsychologist, hypnotherapist, and clinical counselor, about how to rebuild stability when you are carrying grief, responsibility, and constant uncertainty. If you have ever felt trapped in a crisis mindset, this conversation offers a path back to balance that is both compassionate and practical.

We dig into what psychedelic medicine can be across cultures and clinical settings, and why Lincoln sees psychedelics less as a miracle cure and more as a psychological accelerant. The key is learning how to “drive” first: grounding, intention, and the ability to land on your feet. That leads straight into hypnosis and reframing, including how guided imagery and relaxation can help you access a calmer state, then look at stress from a steadier angle.

From there, we get concrete about caregiver self-care and neuropsychology: sleep hygiene, breathing, movement, rhythm, attention skills, and how your environment can funnel you into habitual tension. We also talk about dementia communication when logic fails, why entering your loved one’s reality can reduce distress, and how boundaries protect your health without turning you cold. Lincoln also shares brain training tools like EEG headsets (including Muse) and why measurable feedback can help you strengthen focus over time.

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Welcome To Patty’s Place

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Welcome to Patty's Place, a place where we're going to talk about grief, dementia, and caregiving. I started this podcast in honor of my mom, Pat, who passed away from dementia almost three years ago. I'm your host, Lisa. So grab your cup of tea, your cup of coffee. If you're having that really bad day, a glass of wine, and come join us and know that you are not alone. Today our guest is Lincoln Stollert, and he is a quantum physicist,

What Psychedelic Medicine Can Be

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neuropsychologist, and hypnotherapist, clinical counselor, and author and educator. So welcome, Lincoln, to Patty's Place.

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Thanks.

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So uh you one of the questions you have here is what is psychedelic medicine and what could it be?

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Um well I don't know what to uh uh is the baseline here.

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Okay.

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Because it's been appropriated or it's attempted to be appropriated by Western psychology.

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Okay.

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And it's got a tradition of various cultural and religious uses that are ancient. And um so uh, you know, if people come from the recreational use of the 60s through the 80s and so forth, they'll have one point of view. Okay, if they come from a medicinal or cultural background, they'll have another point of view. Okay, and if they come from this sort of modern psychology, they'll be told of a third point of view.

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Okay.

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So uh they're all kind of different. You know, recreational, it was supposed to be fun, I guess. Uh psychologically, it was supposed to be healing, and culturally it was supposed to be uh enlightening. It could be all of those things, or one positive and the other negative in any mix, really, depending on your experience and your objective.

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Okay.

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So I guess I could say it could be any of those if you have the right approach. Could be fun, could be enlightening, could be healing.

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Okay.

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And if you do it wrong, it could be destructive or not fun, and um, you know, close your mind.

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Okay.

Learning Means Breaking Patterns

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So with your mind, can you kind of explain? Like, how does your brain learn?

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Um, I kind of think that there are two kinds of people: the ones who like to learn and the ones who well don't. Or don't much. I mean, you can't not learn because everything you do is a reaction to your environment. But you can reframe things or you can rearrange things so that in the larger sense your strategy works better and you understand people or situations.

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Okay.

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And it usually happens that to rearrange things involves some conflict with the way things are, are supposed to be, or other people want them to be. So I think learning uh gets in it involves with how willing you are to break the pattern.

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Okay.

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Or to also create a pattern. You may not have one. You may be going into territory that is new and foreign, so you might need to be creative. People often ask for advice. They uh might think that a counselor or a therapist is gonna give them advice. They might think that. And I suppose uh well, unfortunately, I suppose many therapists do that. I mean, it's economics, you know. You give people what they want, you don't sell them a black car if they want a red one. But the fact is they, you know, if they're looking for a red car, they may be just looking in the wrong place. So I think there are tiers of therapists that are incrementally more disruptive in how you think. Okay because in therapy you want to be uh enlightened. So the psychedelics can do that. They're kind of like I'm a kind of an adventure seeker, so they're kind of like jumping out of an airplane, which could be fun and you know, life-changing. It could also be life-ending if you didn't do it right. So I don't think psychedelics are well, you know, psychedelics are not a dangerous class of drugs. They're not like um these other uh analgesics or extreme sedatives that can stop your heart and do other things. So um they're also not well, depending on which drug you're talking about, they're not entirely recreational. I mean, some are, but the really psychedelic ones um they make you too sensitive. And and and often they're not they're not that social.

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Okay.

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I mean, there are things like MDMA, which is a social drug, and cocaine, which is a social drug. But the psychedelics are are relatively quiet and uh inter, you know, you see yourself within, you you you engage your inner self.

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Okay.

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I mean, I I I I guess I know people who take mushrooms and LSD recreationally, but I I couldn't do that.

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Uh yeah.

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I tried with a bunch of musicians to take mushrooms recreationally, but everybody just wandered off into the woods. And and so, you know.

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Yeah. So

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you're a neuropsychologist. What's the difference between a neuropsychologist and just a regular psychologist?

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A big difference.

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Okay.

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Yeah, a neuropsychologist. Well, again, there are there are types. I mean, you could be a neurologist when you talk about diseases in the neural system, nervous system, or you could be a neuropsychologist, in which case you think about functions and dysfunctions from a neurological point of view. Like what do you what do you react to? Um what are your aptitudes? Uh how how is your emotional balance related to your neurological balance?

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Oh, okay. That's interesting.

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You know, uh things like uh can you relax and go into a calm state, which would be needed to have a good sleep cycle. So people who don't sleep well might have a neurological propensity for anxiety or tension or um you know not wanting to move out of their waking mindset. Because you know when you fall asleep, you have to kind of let go at some point.

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Right.

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And um if if you're neurologically wound up, which could be a psychological thing because you're traumatized or you're under pressure or your environment is is uh tense, but it could also be a habit that you become habitually tense. And see, this is this is the sort of the roundabout situation. If you are habitually tense, even you know, for a week, you tend to create an environment that either supports you, uh, helps you cope, or continues to trigger you. So a high-performance person might get into a high performance job, in which case they're always expected to be able to jump at a moment's notice, and then they could become very stressed. So the the whole thing, so this there's the neurology of what you're what you've adapted to, there's the environment that you created for yourself. Okay, and um there's the psychology of how you're thinking. So a neuropsychologist, well, at least in my point of view, you see, I'm kind of a generalist. I think you have to do all those things.

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Right.

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I think it's makes no sense to insist that only one approach is going to be suitable for anyone.

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Right.

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I mean, even, you know, I have schizophrenic clients, and you say, Oh, that's definitely a neuropsychological problem. But the point is that to some extent they can learn to adjust. They're not going to become not schizophrenic, but they may not become paranoid and uh triggered by the confusion. I mean, it depends. The the most serious ones, I guess I don't get, because you have to be fairly functional to come to a counselor, especially somebody like me who demands you to think and respond somewhat rationally.

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Okay.

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I mean, it it you know, schizophrenics aren't all that rational.

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Right.

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Well, they have their own sense of rationality in my experience, you know.

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Right.

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They'll think one thing which doesn't make sense, but they're consistent sometimes.

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Right, it makes sense to them. Yeah.

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You know, yeah. So neuropsychologist is like, what is that aspect? How much of that is going on? And is it changeable? Or, you know, can it be uh voluntarily changed? I'm not a pharmaceutical guy.

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Uh well, no, and sometimes you that's not always the answer either, you know, pharmaceuticals. Sometimes it just isn't. And I know that I've I've been reading a lot about like somatic with that, and how like you were describing with your nerves, how it almost gets trapped in your body.

Somatic Ways To Exit Crisis Mode

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Like, what are ways that you can, especially like when you're in the middle of being a caregiver or that, you are always tense because things are always going on. Like, what can you do to try to just try to relax your body to get out of that? Because it's hard once it's trapped, you don't even know how to get out of it.

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I generalize again there, you know, don't focus just on your body. I mean, yes, focus on your body, right? But not just on your body. You're recognize that your environment is funneling you, narrowing you into this traumatic situation. Well, traumatic for probably everybody, but uh that you can't live there and be a help. You have to be able to visit in order to empathize.

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But you can't uh believe it's the only reality.

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So that's the psychological answer to your question. And the uh somatic answer is you've gotta let your body adjust to the alternative, which is a non-traumatized so you know, yoga, exercise, breathing, good sleep, um, good diet, these are all somatic things. Okay, becoming aware of the energies in your body, giving yourself time to relax thoroughly, not just in your tense spots, but you know, in your knees and your ankles and your toes and your fingers. So anything that helps you, so playing music is anything that's rhythmic, anything that has a different rhythm instead of the cacophony of crisis, something that has and demands you that's why playing an instrument is good, because it demands you pay attention to it, otherwise you can't do it very well.

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Okay.

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So, you know, a keyboard, a guitar, whatever it is, and you know, to get away from the idea that you have to be good at something in order to do it. I hate that idea that only experts should read, you know, novels or act in a community theater. You know, it's like everything you do can be adjusted to equilibrate your your system.

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Okay.

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Balance is like essential. So I like to walk, I can't do it very well anymore, on a slack line, which is like a tightrope, but it's loose. But you can do the same thing by just walking on a line, painted on the ground.

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Okay.

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I mean, you could try to walk on the curb, but you might fall off.

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Well, yeah.

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Twist your ankle. Exactly. Quite literally. Yeah. But you can walk on a line, which is not all that much easier if you actually try to stay on it.

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Yeah, it's not as easy as it sounds. Yeah.

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Not as easy, right? Because you give yourself excuses to have stepped off it. But if you pay attention, it it focuses you. And getting out of the crisis mentality, it's the same advice I'd give to somebody who's anxious. It's the same stuck state of mind. And again, there's a neurological aspect to it. You've become accustomed to it. You become anxious when you're bored, you don't have the ability to relax, your sleep is disrupted, maybe your gut and digestion is off. And um to some extent, you well, you have a great deal of control. Whether what the effect is, I don't know. Uh I've gained a lot of weight, like I'm almost 200 pounds, I should be 160. I can't seem to lose it. So there's there, and the so is my father. So I think there's some genetic stuff you can, it's just an uphill battle.

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Um, but nevertheless, balance, I think, is critical.

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But I name my business mind strength balance. And I think that was prescient because I keep coming back to balance more and more. So getting balance, if you're a caregiver, you know, first thing is you have to have balance. Because you're not gonna be very helpful if you're out of balance. You're just gonna be sort of talk in hollow, you know, parables. And the next step is to help somebody achieve the balance that you may have achieved, but maybe harder for them because they're physically ailing or mentally ailing. So, you know, the um the story that the people in the presence of the Dalai Lama are in a blissful state of relaxation simply because of his presence. Which is, you know, well, maybe, maybe that's true, but maybe they just want to be blissfully relaxed in his presence. Just the way you might feel that way in a church. But there is truth that a person who uh is grounded and deeply calm is calming. Um it you know, people like dogs as pets.

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Yes.

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And cats too, sometimes. But I have more experience with dogs. And you know, they are they uh they imbue a certain kind of positive attitude and um all the things that dogs do, you know, loyalty and and attention and affection. And it lifts people up. My point is that if you can lift yourself up, you'll lift up the people around you. Well, I mean, if they're willing. Some people aren't, but you know, right, right. Hopefully.

Entering A Loved One’s Dementia World

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I mean, the the caregiving thing is difficult because people with dementia can be unreachable or sometimes unreachable.

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Yes.

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And um, you know, like my mother took a long time to die of Alzheimer's. And in the last few years, I would just come in and play the flute or you know, read to her, but I don't think she was aware at that point. But still, you don't know. You really don't. At some point, you you have to just go on faith that you know you're putting positive energy out, and as long as you're not getting panic back, you're probably doing something positive.

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Yeah, I mean, with my mom, like I said, she she didn't know who I was, but she just thought I was this really nice girl that came to visit her, and so that's just how I, you know, yeah, and best you can do. Right. And I just kind of followed her lead with it, you know, because why upset her? There was no point in upsetting her, you know.

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So if well, you know what the only reason to upset her would be that she wasn't who you wanted her to be.

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Exactly.

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Yeah, you know, forget it. You know, the world moves in different directions from what you want. And you have to follow it or you're not in uh the rhythm.

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And and I think that's the hardest thing for a lot of people when you're dealing with your loved one with dementia, they still want them to be the person that they know, and and they're not.

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Hey, how about your parents? Were they ever the persons you wanted them to be?

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Well, that's yeah, true. Yeah, you know, and it I once I was able to get to that point to just enter her world, it helped so much for me. And I I can think back now and think about some of those moments I shared with her, you know, the like some of the funny things we shared and stuff like that. And it was like, well, so what if, you know, she thought she was at her grandma's house and she was in her memory and she was in memory care. So what? You know, we were at grandma's house, you know. Like what difference did it make? You know, with it. But I know a lot of people have a hard time. Like, how can they not know who I am? And it's like, well, I think on some level they know that you are somebody that they trust, like there's still that bond there, even if they can't verbalize your name.

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You know, I would take it to another level and say that almost everybody you know is not who you think they are. And almost everybody you know has an image of you that's not you. And and sometimes that works out fine.

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Yeah.

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Yeah. And other times, you know, it temporarily gets dislocated. And with some people, maybe quite a lot, it never works out. Yeah, they never understand you. You can explain yourself all day, and that gets to a deeper level of how do you communicate. And most people use words and reason and you know how things work. And that's actually a very weak, a very not not a very convincing way to um reframe things for somebody who doesn't believe it. I mean, I have a client who has a problem with her mother. Her mother is getting older and probably getting a little more demented. And her mother believes certain people in her family are against her, you know, are lying, are are sabotaging. And it seems to be that the people that her mother is developing this adversarial relationship with are the people that her mother was never close to, and that her mother feels are taking something away from her, taking her central role in the family away from her, like her children's in-laws or something. And uh, my client is one of the in-laws, or actually the the daughter of the mother who has in-laws, and she tells me all the reasons that she's given to her mother why she's delusional and why these people are not her enemies and why everyone's trying to help. It makes no difference at all because her mother is not in that frame of mind. She doesn't believe it.

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Right.

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She thinks her daughter's she thinks her daughter is delusional and being misled and uh making up stories. And so it's you know, it's like climbing up a greased pole. It it doesn't work. And so I tell her, you've got to let go of what you want and indulge her. In her fantasy, because that's her reality.

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You're not gonna build a better structure in a land that she won't join you.

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So if it means that you have to admit that your husband is evil, see where it goes.

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Right.

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Because it's only it's only a story.

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Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. And I know um my dad had a hard time with that. And even like, you know, oh well, I'm lying to her. I'm like, well, you're not really lying, you're just going along with things. You know, that's her world right now. And you know, just go with it because it makes life so much easier.

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Not just easier, but it actually I think goes somewhere. There, there is there is a plot to this demented story. And maybe it comes back to their childhood if somebody's really senile and they're talking about, you know, they think you're their mother or something. I think my mother in the end was well, not in the end, she didn't have money in mind at all, but before she lost her mind entirely, she thought she was a child again.

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Yeah.

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And so that that, you know, that might have been a real opportunity because I never really connected with my mother in her childhood, and I don't think she ever did either. So maybe this was an opportunity to find some peace. You know, uh I would look at all these things as opportunities. Why not? Even if they're just an opportunity to meet somebody halfway.

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Yeah, I mean, I always say that I was grateful that I listened to my mom growing up, all her stories, uh, you know, that she would say about, you know, talk about her aunts and uncles and all that. So like she did go back to like her childhood, which on one hand, I wasn't shocked because it was um a happy time, but also a traumatic time for her. And so I think that's where she found the most peace, you know. So I was glad that I paid attention and was able to enter that world so I knew where she was at with things. So when she would mention somebody's name, I was like, oh yeah, you know, and just go with it. It just made it I I guess, yeah, like you're saying, I was able to connect with her even on another level than before with that.

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I I'm not sure it's so it should be hard.

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Uh I the hard people are the ones who really fight you and insist that you're wrong or you're you're you're somehow distorting things or if you've got somebody who who has a happy place and this is what I do as a hypnotherapist I take you to a happy place.

Hypnosis, Boundaries, And Real Change

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I get you to visualize a happy place, I get you to be immersively engaged in it, uh to recreate it, to recall it in its detail. And then I let you bring in negativity.

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Okay.

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And you know, see it from uh a different, you know, since instead of being off balance, now you're on balance. You know, f imagine your childhood better or the times you're on your childhood was better, and now see what the negative influences in your life trigger or remind you of or make you feel. Because as adults we lose connection with our childhood feelings. We've put them aside. Yeah, people say.

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Yeah.

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As if they weren't there anymore. But they are in the background. And they come up in your dreams and they come up in your nightmares or fears or so for me, therapy, if you want to call it therapy, uh and I you know that has a stigma, so I don't really like calling it therapy. I I prefer calling it coaching or consulting. And I prefer to focus on what you're trying to accomplish rather than what you consider your disability. Like, all right, so what do you want to do in the next year, five years, or ten years? And how can we get there? What's holding you back, what's standing in the way? And how can we turn that into a either not a problem or part of the solution? Most people have skills they're not using because they've uh not been encouraged or rewarded or had the opportunity to use them. You know, you could be you could be very critical, and that could be a skill. Just know how to use it. It you could be very critical because you've spent your life not having boundaries and you know, running over safety margins, and now you've become hyper-reactive. Well, all right. A lot of people don't have good boundaries. I mean, in a sense, you're you're talking about boundaries when you talk about adjusting to a parent's dementia. It's like, what's your boundary? What's the room you want everyone to be in? How do you feel when it doesn't work? You still have boundaries, like your own sanity and health and positive attitude, but it doesn't have to be limited to your version of reality. Could be could be a psychotic version of reality. Well, maybe not psychotic, but you know, delusional at least.

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Right. And I think that is hard for caregivers and sometimes people in general. I know myself, setting boundaries and sticking to them are are can be very difficult for people to do, you know, because sometimes you just want to make everybody happy or make it easier or or or even or just more peaceful, I should say. And sometimes you have to set those boundaries, and it can be very difficult.

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Well, the funny thing is they want you to set they want you to make things easy. And maybe they, whoever they is, doesn't want you to cross certain boundaries. You know, like if you've got somebody who smokes and their lungs are not good, is making them happy avoiding the issue or asking them to confront their health and what they're doing. Because I I've kind of run out of patience with people who are self-destructive unconsciously. I mean, if you want to go, I have one client who tried to kill himself by drowning.

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Uh-huh.

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But he had to stop because he it was too painful. The water was too cold. And I thought, well, how often do you do you uh are you saved by your bad planning? Usually it goes the other way.

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Right, right.

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But you know, okay, that really was a a reality check for him. And he's you know, and it made him think, yeah, suicide would be great if it was just comfort and peace. But it's not just comfort and peace. Well, maybe if you shoot yourself, it is because you don't have a chance, but it was great that he gave himself a chance to see that he wanted to live.

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Right, right.

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And he had something to live for.

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Right.

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And so often people don't want to be told that they have something to live for, that they're missing the opportunity, or they're not treating their spouse or their children well, and it's gonna they're gonna regret it. They don't want to hear that.

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No.

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But if if that's what you see, maybe that's what you should say. I mean it depends what you're yeah, like you say, is it is your goal comfort and you know, placid social you know, bingo games? Or are you trying to uh foster some evolution in progress? Because I don't I don't find people most people are not they they they're dragged kicking and streaming into their own evolution. So which one do you want to be? Do you want to hold them back with peace and comfort, or you wanna help them move forward by uh you know criticizing some of their decisions?

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That's true.

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And how are you gonna do it?

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Yeah, which it gives them.

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I mean, this may not be the question for a a caregiver. But again, you know, if they're smoking, okay, their doctor will tell them to stop smoking or stop drinking or whatever it is. Stop abusing something, stop abusing their body, take care of themselves, lose weight. I don't know, whatever. So uh, you know, they may not want to talk about those things. I mean, we're not talking about end stage Alzheimer's where I think there's not much you can do that, but you know, provide comfort, if that. We're talking at at a stage where, well, uh anywhere from childhood to uh somewhere where you can react, right? We're talking about dealing with kids too.

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True. True, yeah.

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I mean it I I think one I know kids are very easy to deal with, I find. And I don't know why adults have trouble with their kids. I just don't understand. When you think they're there for you, I don't understand how anyone could think that. But okay.

Resources For Coaching And Self-Care

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So you do have a website, correct? It's uh you just you mentioned it as well.

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Yeah, mind, strength, balance.

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And so on your website, what can people um contact you and other the different some of the resources that they can get?

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Well, I've written a bunch of books.

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Okay.

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And I do like this. The the topic you started with, the psychedelics, is very close to hypnosis. Okay. Altered state, mood, emotion, um, altered reality, reframing. So I generally don't encourage people to do psychedelics unless they're good at balance and they know what they're trying to accomplish.

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Okay.

SPEAKER_06
32:57

I mean, okay, if you can do it recreationally, but you don't have to come to me for that. So, and I also don't really believe in psychedelics as a pharmaceutical solution. I think they're a psychological um accelerant. And you've got to, you know, know how to drive. You don't get into a sports car and drive 150 miles an hour if you don't know how to drive. So don't take a drug that will accelerate your mind and unhinge you if you don't know how to land on your feet. And on my website, I have uh these inductions, they're audio files of me talking on certain topics that are done hypnotically to make you relax, to make you be immersive, to make you imagine. And uh a lot of them are free, not all of them. Some of them have to do with your body and health, others have to do with your state of mind. So if you go on the website and look under products and look under free, free products, you can find a lot of audiophiles.

SPEAKER_00
34:06

Oh, okay. Because yeah, I see. And I think that's Yeah, you've got stuff here on like coaching and sleep. You said medical support, uh learning.

SPEAKER_06
34:14

So those those are areas, right? If you have got medical support is is close to caregiving, except it's self-care giving. And uh sleep is also self-care giving, but most people don't pay much attention to it. They just think it should, they're just entitled to it.

SPEAKER_03
34:30

Right.

SPEAKER_06
34:32

They don't see that it's like half their life, right? The other half of their life. And uh education has always been a big thing with me learning. So there are books there, there's a tab for books, but books take more effort than an audio file.

SPEAKER_00
34:46

Yeah, you're free here. Okay. Yeah, there's some really cool things on here. Uh, so people can check out for it to help.

SPEAKER_06
34:57

And there's one last thing I should mention.

SPEAKER_00
34:59

Yes.

SPEAKER_06
34:59

Again, in the neurology thing, there are tools to stabilize, strengthen, and balance your brain without regard to whatever your trauma or issue is. Just develop focus. I mean, you could call it attention skills. Uh, they're not all that different from balance as in walking a straight line, but they're mentally walking a straight line. Uh people have heard about mindfulness meditation, and it's right. There's a whole range of things. Um, brain training tools, and I think that's foundational. I think too many people overlook or take for granted their mental abilities as fixed, and they're not. They're skills to some extent that you've learned and can relearn and enhance.

Brain Training Tools You Can Measure

SPEAKER_00
35:48

So, what are what are some like brain training tools that people can do?

SPEAKER_06
35:53

Well, the cheapest ones are little headsets that you put on that monitor your brain waves, then you can imagine your brain waves are not that different from your muscular waves, in the sense that when your brain waves are agitated, then you're agitated. So but you can be oddly, you can be physically calm and mentally agitated. So the benefit of these tools, like these headsets, which cost about from one to three hundred dollars, whether you get them new or not, or more, depending how many bells and whistles you want, is that it lets you see your brain separate from your body. So somatic work, great, but also mental work. And as I say, you can be somatically relaxed and mentally wound up. So um addressing those, what they do, you put the headset on, it measures your brain waves, it works with your smartphone and tells you basically your score, gives you an exercise, tells you how you succeeded in the exercise. And then you can pay more. Unfortunately, they they cost, I think, more than they're worth for most people. Everyone's trying to get you to subscribe to some you know monthly charge. And uh so this headset called the Muse M Use gives you a lets you buy a monthly subscription, in which case they look at your particular brain waves and give you a particular exercise. Because the brain waves aren't quite as monochromatic as they make them out to be. They have different areas that that indicate different levels of attention and anxiety.

SPEAKER_04
37:35

Okay.

SPEAKER_06
37:37

So you can be more specific. And but it's it's worth just starting with it, just to sort of get to understand what your brain waves do. And you know, it can go all the way to neurology. But the I guess the point I want to make is not many psychologists know about this, not many neurologists know about it. It's neuropsychology. Unfortunately, it's a somewhat unrecognized area, central area, which is like stupid. It's as it's as if people hadn't discovered good diet.

SPEAKER_02
38:14

Right.

SPEAKER_06
38:14

And all the it's like and they thought just eating junk food was natural and well, anyway, I could go on. Maybe you get the point.

SPEAKER_00
38:26

Yes, yes. It's all important. Yeah. So it is.

Website, Thanks, And Goodbye

SPEAKER_00
38:31

So your your website, and we will make sure you put that on our link as well, it's mindstrengthbalance.com so people can check it all out and learn how to train your brain and try to relax and put it all together because there's a lot to do. Put it together, right? Yes. So thank you so much for joining us today. I you're welcome. It's been very enlightening for me. So I hope everyone has enjoyed our conversation today. So hopefully you have had a good cup of tea, good cup of coffee, or a good glass of wine, and you will join us for another edition of Patty's Place.

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