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Grief can make you feel like you’re failing at something you never asked to do. Today we sit down with Jane K. Dye, RN, holistic health coach, and certified grief educator trained in David Kessler’s approach, to talk plainly about what helps after loss and what quietly makes it harder. Jane shares how the death of her son Christopher pushed her to serve people living in a grief-illiterate culture that avoids discomfort, rushes timelines, and rewards “looking okay” instead of being real.
We dig into the difference between grief (the internal experience) and mourning (the outward expression), why there is no cure for grief, and why comparing losses is a dead end. You’ll hear practical language for supporting a grieving friend without trying to fix them, plus the phrases many people mean well by but often regret later. We also talk about grief bursts, memory triggers, and how comfort can come from unexpected rituals like a favorite candy, an old TV show, or a familiar recipe.
Because grief lives in the body, we explore simple holistic grief support tools: hydration, gentle nourishment, walking, stretching, meditation, and grief yoga as ways to move emotion through your system when words fall short. Jane also explains how her counseling and grief education work, including a free initial consultation and personalized resources based on readiness. Subscribe for more conversations about grief, dementia, and caregiving, then share this episode with someone who needs it and leave a review with the one thing you wish people understood about grief.
Welcome And Guest Introduction
SPEAKER_02
0:10
Welcome to Patty's Place, a place where we will talk about grief, dementia, and caregiving. I named the podcast Patty in honor of my mom who died from dementia about two years ago. So uh I'd like to have this community so people know that they're not alone and they can go through these things and there's resources available. So grab your cup of tea, your cup of coffee, or if it's you've had a really bad day, a glass of wine, and we will get talking today. So today our guest is Jane Dye. She is an RN, a certified holistic health coach. Uh you're also a mastery level uh transformational coach as well in intuitive intelligence, a methods coach, and many other things. She also has a website as well. So, Jane, welcome to Patty's Place.
SPEAKER_01
0:56
Thank you, Lisa. I'm so glad to be here. I think it's important, especially for your listeners to know I'm also a certified grief educator. Um that came after doing all this transition. I started my professional life as working in adult inpatient psychiatry and then transitioned to outpatient work as a director of nursing and medical training for a national health care company. And then I became that independent health coach practitioner that you mentioned. Um, but it was because I experienced the loss of many family and friends from early adulthood on. But it wasn't until experiencing the death of my middle son, Christopher, three years ago, um, that I saw how little people understood and really responded well to grief. And so, as you know, we live in a grief illiterate world where we avoid talking about and taking care of people experiencing loss. So that's why I chose to expand my practice to become a certified grief educator. Uh I'm able to provide the highest level of grief support through education and experience and insights into what I'm sure you know is the often unacknowledged rocky terrain of grief. Um I am thrilled that I completed a certificate program designed by world-renowned grief expert David Kessler, um, where I bring his unique methodology, tools, um, and decades of experience to help people navigate the challenges of grief. So this has allowed me to turn my passion into purpose, helping those in grief find meaning after loss, and certainly as Christopher's legacy, just like Patty's places to your mom. And I love that.
SPEAKER_02
2:39
Yeah, well, my mom was uh not only was she a caregiver, she was also somebody who loved to entertain and everything. So she would, you know, people just came to her. So I was like, it's like she's you're coming into her house again.
SPEAKER_01
2:50
That's I just love that. That's wonderful.
Grief Literacy And Why Support Matters
SPEAKER_02
2:52
Uh so you explain a little bit how you got where you are today in that. So, what do you think is the importance of having guidance and support for life challenges, especially through grief?
SPEAKER_01
3:02
Well, that's I believe because grief can be traumatic and transformative. Um, loss changes everything about you and your life, your daily routine, your perspective, your future, along with your connections, right? To yourself, to others, and to the world. And our worst moments can be seeds for some of our best, um, as they do have an amazing power to transform us. So when we challenge the situation that is hopeless, usually with support and guidance, um we are challenged to change ourselves. And when we do that, we can turn the tragedy into an occasion for growth. That being said, um the growth will never seem worth it in many ways. Um, but it certainly can help you carry on um with meaning. Um I know for sure there is no need also to compare our losses when we recognize that in every case, your loss is the worst loss for you.
SPEAKER_02
4:05
Definitely. And I do think that sometimes we fall into that, we compare or or people compare us and they say, Oh, well, you should be over it, or I got I did this or that. And and sometimes you're just not ready. It it may be as simple as cleaning out somebody's clothes, you know. For some people, they have to do it right away, and other people, you know, it takes them a while, and they got through a box today, and they should be able to celebrate that that's what they did.
Grief Versus Mourning No Timeline
SPEAKER_01
4:32
Right. So I think it's important to note, and you may have discussed this with your listening audience already, but grief is what's going on inside, and mourning is what we do on the outside. Okay. So the internal work of grief is a process, many people call it a journey, and it doesn't have prescribed dimensions. It doesn't end on a certain date, as you mentioned. So when people are mourning, we can't judge their grief based on whether they're crying or they're angry or they're upset the most. I mean, some can never see your grief or judge your grief by what emotions you show or you don't show. So only you, as the griever, only know your grief. But the connection and attachment we feel for each other to those we love, to our friends, family, our coworkers, even to the home we live in, the job we engage in, it'll be reflected by the pain we feel later when we no longer have our loved one, the relationship or our home or the job. So we grieve for who and what we love, and even for who and what we hate, but we don't grieve for those we are indifferent to. So grief essentially is the evidence of your love and caring. Um that certainly is is is proved um in the tears that you shed.
Showing Up Without Assumptions
SPEAKER_02
5:53
Oh, definitely. When you said um, you know, everybody shows it differently, it made me think of um the day of my mom's service, well, a couple days before my mom's service, uh, my dad never once asked me how I was getting to the service. He just hit now his his brother came into town and you know, his brother was like, Oh no, you're not driving yourself, you know, you know, telling my dad that. But neither one of them ever asked me how I was getting there. You know, um, my mom's friends, you know, her really her best friends and stuff and her sister, they were like, How are you getting there? And then and they're like, No, you're not going by yourself, and they went with me. And just a few months ago, my dad was like, Well, you seemed okay. I knew you weren't, but you seemed okay. And I wanted to be like, Well, that's not even the point. Like, you could have asked me, like, how I was, you know.
SPEAKER_01
6:45
But Yeah, you brought up a great point. I mean, I think the thing in any relationship, but particularly in grief, is not not to assume anything. Um, and that a simple invitation um makes a huge difference in kind of seeing where people are at. Um, I don't think it's necessarily helpful to say, like, oh, you know, how are you? Right. Uh sometimes that's just a hello. But if you do say to somebody like, how are you doing today in your grief? Or, you know, is there anything um uh that I should know today that would be helpful to you? Um there are lots of ways to communicate that even when people are awkward and and you know, you look like you're fine, but you know, for all you know, it you're just barely hanging on.
SPEAKER_02
7:38
Exactly. I always would I sometimes I still say it, I'm like, just because I'm dressed doesn't and shower doesn't mean I'm okay. You know, like today I was able to do it, you know.
SPEAKER_01
7:48
With it and I think it's really important to note. Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't mean to interrupt.
SPEAKER_02
7:52
Oh, no, no, you're fine.
What To Say And Avoid
SPEAKER_01
7:53
Go ahead. Um, that we know that there's no timeline in grief and there's not a cure for grief because people in grief are not broken and we don't need to fix them. Uh there's like no no right or wrong way to grieve. However, we can explore patterns and interventions that help us through the dark days. And something that I learned from David Kessler that I feel is important to share with you and your audience, is that our grief will not get smaller over time. We need to get bigger. Um, and I think that happens through connections. You need to feel to heal. And you know, so many times in grief, um we don't have the normal or natural infrastructure surrounding us in the way um people did in generations before. You know, people live very far away from each other, uh, they may not have um really supportive relationships, but grief is a side effect of having connections, attachments, and relationships, right? So we often think we want to escape grief, but it seems what we really want to escape is the pain of loss. Yeah. And sometimes that that makes it hard for people to relate, you know. Uh it sounds like that might have been what you experience.
SPEAKER_02
9:20
Yeah, I mean, I I also know my dad. So, you know, I wasn't I on one hand, I wasn't surprised, but on the other hand, I was like, hello, you know, but yeah, I would agree it is, it's that pain of loss. And I always think like, uh, I don't know if it was my mom or my grandma or or somebody said, like, you know, when it first happens, it it's just huge, you know, you feel like this huge, huge like hole in in your heart or your in your body. But as time goes on, it's not that time makes it better, but you kind of feel like the hole gets a little bit smaller. Like you said, it's because you have other um support systems or different things that come in. So you it's not as raw, but because grief has no timeline, there could be something, and all of a sudden it could be years later, months later, and you have like a grief burst because you hear a song or you see something and you're like right there on that day, and that's okay.
SPEAKER_01
10:16
Oh, it absolutely is. And I think that's that is so key for people to give themselves permission to know that that's going to happen, and that when it's happens, it's it's just your attachment to love and the missing, what whatever activates you to have that burst, as you said. Um, it's okay. And I think you know, we're here to let other people know it's okay. Yeah. Because there is so much judgment um internally and externally around grief and how people grieve and how long, I mean, I'm sure you've probably heard, aren't you over it yet? Exactly. Yeah. But David Gasler says, and I share, um, took this from him as well. Is well, how long is my person going to be dead?
SPEAKER_02
11:10
Exactly.
SPEAKER_01
11:11
Because that's how long I'm going to grieve. Yeah. Like you say, like, you know, I'll get on, I'll, you know, get myself up in the morning, get going, have this great opportunity to speak with you on a podcast. But that doesn't mean that I don't think about those that I lost, and in particular my son every day, that I don't miss him, that I don't wish that the circumstances were different. What I don't, what I do know is that my story and my experience, that how it transformed me, is that I am a more compassionate person. I am somebody who can hold more space. I mean, I think a lot of people are surprised that like the best thing you can do for somebody who's had a loss is to witness their grief. Yes. Yes, definitely. Be there for them. Sometimes, you know, they worry about what to say or not to say. And we could certainly go into that because there are some things that are more helpful than not. True, yeah. But I think your willingness to sit in the discomfort and not try to make people feel better about something that's really hard to feel better about. I mean, I think one of the things when I work with clients that's really important is that they understand that they get to stay in what we like to call the first generation's feelings. Like if you're profoundly sad, you get to be sad. You don't have to hop over to grief and cheering up and like, but yeah, this person died. But you know, we had this many years together, whatever. You don't need to go there. Exactly. You don't need to go there unless it so interrupts your life that you are not able to respond to any of the things that normally would constitute a life. You can't do your activities of daily living. You don't talk to anybody. Uh, people have different motivations. For me, um, I, because I have been in the health and wellness field my entire life, uh, one of the motivators for me really came from research from Hope Edelman, who works with motherless daughters.
SPEAKER_02
13:30
Yes, I that's an excellent book, yes.
SPEAKER_01
13:32
Yeah, tremendous book. And one of the things I liked that she said is um, you know, that children often lose their parents when they lose a sibling. So it was great motivation for me with two other children and a husband, married many, many years now, that it was motivating and it was inspirational for me to know that I wanted to still show up for them as much as the mother I had always been, um, even when their brother was alive. And that I wouldn't lose myself, you know, um, and and that was a benchmark for me to be able to say, you know, how can I show up? And at the same time, let them have their own grief experience. I'm the kind, I go to resources, I go to books, I go to all kinds of learning, which not to compare, because that usually leads to the despair that people feel, but to just see, you know, what else are people feeling? What else are people experiencing? Where are they, where do they need help? I worked with a woman recently that it took her six years for her to even look at a picture of her deceased son. And um, and then she she she didn't even connect the dots that I don't know if this was your experience, it was for me and for a lot of my clients, that grief will bring up old wounds. Yes. And um, in her case, it really did, it brought up a painful childhood. And it's she never like connected how she was never modeled grief, how she, you know, even when she had small losses, that they were really not attended to. They're basically, you know, just brushed aside and we're supposed to move on and get on with life. And um, I think that's changed today. I think people are more open and receptive to it, but I think that that that kind of ideology still hangs around and in people. Yeah. So it was and and then she also learned that by sharing her story that she could help others who are struggling, you know, to to to like find meaning after loss.
SPEAKER_02
15:55
Yeah, I mean, like for for me, seeing pictures of my mom s brings me comfort, but I know sometimes for some people it doesn't. And something is like a something as simple or as silly as my mom loved the peeps, you know, the marshmallow peeps. And she did, she loved them her whole life. We, you know. Do you have a favorite color? Uh no, well, her favorite color was green, but she ate all of them, you know. I always brought them. As a matter of fact, that was the last thing she ate was a peep. Um so when they so she died in January. So when they started to come out, you know, for Easter, I I like could not, I had to like go a different aisle in any of the stores. Like I just wanted to start crying when I saw the peeps. But now when I see them in the store, I smile and I buy them because I find comfort and I feel like that's because my mom and I used and I would buy them for her all the time, you know. You know, so sometimes I understand where people are like, I can't look at this picture right now. And I'm like, well, that's okay, you will at times, you know, another time it'll you'll find comfort with it. But getting back to what we were talking you were talking about earlier too, like I know a lot of people they get so nervous, they're like, Well, I don't know what to say. I just want to talk about something happy. And you know, people would ask me, Well, how are you? And I'd be like, I don't know.
SPEAKER_01
17:11
Like, I have no idea how I am, you know, like you know, I mean, I think, yeah, and I that's something which actually uh did propel me a lot into doing this um professionally, is because especially around my my son's death, people really did know what to say. And um, you know, a lot of people like, oh, it's the worst loss and all this. And like just saying something as simple as, I am so sorry for your loss, I wish I had the right words, just know I care. I don't know how you feel, but I'm here to help in any way I can. You know, you'll be in my thoughts and prayers, whatever is really resonates with you. Sometimes just again, that that invitation is like, may I just give you a hug? Would a hug help you? And you get a yes or a no when you do exactly what that person needs in that moment. Um, but you know, the things we never want to hear, uh, at least she lived a long life. Yes, she's not suffering anymore yet. Exactly. And there is some relief for somebody who has suffered for a long time. And sometimes the people who left behind after that loss may feel guilt or shame for feeling any relief. Um, but it doesn't help for somebody to kind of hand that kind of platitude to you, you know, the whole he or she's in a better place, the reason for everything, you know.
SPEAKER_02
18:42
Um yeah, because you want to be like, I I get that, I understand that, but they're still not here. You know, yeah, exactly.
SPEAKER_01
18:49
Yeah. I heard one woman say to me that I work with, she said, if one more person tells me, you're so strong, yes, you know, because I think I'm gonna punch them. Yeah. Because I this is the no-choice option. I don't get to decide. I mean, just because I'm you don't see me crumpled, you know, covered in my bed with my my my blanket over my head doesn't mean I don't feel that way sometimes.
SPEAKER_02
19:16
Right, exactly.
SPEAKER_01
19:17
But I think people really project onto you because they they're really struggling, they have the best intentions to support you, but because we don't talk about grief, uh you know, and the fact is if you don't live a long life, it's about the only way you're not going to experience loss or grief. If you live long enough, it will be a part of it. And what I have found, and I'm curious, um, because you are obviously connecting with so many people, I mean, I have met some of the most amazing people because of my grief experience.
Connection Hospice And Not Feeling Alone
SPEAKER_02
19:52
Yes. Yeah. And in I had some a couple of friends because my mom went into hospice, and you know, I I can't say enough about hospice services. They are just wonderful. And it's not just not just the services for the patient, but for the caregivers and the family. And you know, I I did individual grief counseling, plus they have a lot of events and group counseling. And I've had some friends, and I and I tell them, I'm like, I'm telling you, I advise you to do this because I go, when you walk in a room and you realize that you're not alone, that even though you know it's a different person that someone's grieving, it's a different circumstance, they truly understand how you're feeling, and you just don't feel so alone. You feel that connection that wow. And I remember the one time they do um, they call it Lights of Love, the hospice that's here, and it's at Christmas time, and it's just this beautiful ceremony. And I was so overwhelmed by like here's this room full of people, and everyone in this room experienced loss, and it's so overwhelming, and yet it was comforting because I didn't feel so alone knowing I was missing my mom. All these people were missing others, you know. Exactly.
SPEAKER_01
21:09
Yeah, and it can be, it can really be an amazing shift just in your perspective and how you approach people. Um, you know, there's so much good news about how those kinds of experiences and and and healing comes through connection.
SPEAKER_02
21:29
Yes.
SPEAKER_01
21:30
That's really the key to that's why support, you know, whether it's in a group like that or whether you seek a professional. I mean, there's so many platforms at this time if if you want to. That's one of the things that I feel really compelled to do with people who I interact with is make sure, make sure they have resources that they could choose. For me, as I mentioned earlier, reading was a huge resource for me, but it wasn't for my husband. Yeah. So it it's interesting. Grieve differently, and it was very helpful for me to learn those things and share them with people who wanted that kind of approach as well. And then, you know, when you are in a grief counselor or grief educator, the the student and the teacher are one. The griever really directs where we go in the conversation and what they're ready to share and to experience. And you know, there are wonderful um exercises and things that we do, but it's all based on what they're prepared to do, where they want to put their focus, you know, not it's not like signing up, you know, to the gym and you know, getting getting um, you know, a plan in place. That's not what it's about. But to your point, having people who understand your loss and who can show up with the right amount of compassion and understanding, can witness your grief and can just be there for you to help you get through your days. And there are some really great things that that people can do with support that they maybe wouldn't choose to do on their own, you know.
SPEAKER_02
23:21
And as you were saying about different things that people say, I'm reminded, like the night before my mom died, a really good friend of mine called me. And I always remember he was just like, There are no words for me to say how you're feeling, but you know, I like basically I'm here. You know, he's like, I don't completely know what you're feeling, even though he had, you know, he's lost his dad. But he he for him, it was like his dad died of cancer, my mom was dying of dementia. So like it's different things, but yet, you know, that meant so much to me because it was just like, yeah, there are no words, but yet by you saying that I felt comforted, you know, instead of all those other cliches.
SPEAKER_01
24:00
He's connected with you through his warmth and his care and his understanding how difficult it was. That's what I try to share with people as well. You don't have to have the perfect words. I mean, it's better to avoid some of those things we mentioned earlier that don't help. But putting that aside, any demonstration of care and concern, I mean, I have a friend who still till today, just out of the blue, will send me a heart emoji. You know, I will often, for people, whether they're personal or professional relationships, I'll just often send a text message and just say, you know, that I am thinking about that, that I'm here, no need to reply. Just want you to know that I'm here. And I've gotten a lot of positive feedback, like you said, from your friend. It's like they're not gonna fix anything because you're not broken. Right. They can't say anything that's really gonna take your pain away, but they can be in communion with you around your discomfort, your ache, all those things, the pain that you feel, and even things that you want to celebrate. Because sometimes people feel really awkward about after someone dies, smiling, laughing, yeah. Anything that seems remotely like, you know, you're not paying homage to, you know, the person who died. And and that's particularly true with children. Children are often the forgotten grievers, especially when they're really young.
SPEAKER_02
25:34
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01
25:35
But they need honest support as well. Um, I did listen to one of your your stories where uh a woman was talking about how she didn't learn until late in life that her father did not die from heart disease, he died from from um taking his own life. Yes. And and how disruptive that is when you're not being honest. Um, it does help to get languaging around that so that it's age appropriate. Yeah. But uh eventually you're going to find out. And that honesty around it, like I don't, I don't know what your pain is. Like your friend said to you, oh my God, it's so genuine, it's so comforting. You know, and you and you get that. That that comes through. So it's it's who is it? Was it Maya Andrew who said, you know, people won't remember what you say, but they'll remember how you made you feel? Uh yeah, I think so. Yeah. Yeah. I think so. And I and and that's a per your example is a perfect example of that.
SPEAKER_02
26:38
It it yeah, you know, and um it's so simple, but yet it's so hard for so many people, you know, to just be like, sometimes I'll tell people, oh, you know, some people like to read, I like to read too, but then sometimes I'll be like, hey, there's this great movie or there's this show. Like if that's where you find comfort in, you know, like I, you know, I'll say, for me, this is this movie I really just I connect it with, you know, or things like that. And it helps, you know, for some people.
SPEAKER_01
27:07
So I think what's interesting is, you know, the the research shows, or at least you know, I don't it's it could just be anecdotal, that when people are really grieving and sad, they don't necessarily want to watch a movie that cheers them up. Yes, they want to watch a movie that helps them just appreciate that experience. And and for a lot of people, it's a safe place to cry and to let those feelings come forward. But to your point, it's really so individual. I mean, and and you could feel one moment you want to do that, and the next moment you'd want to do something completely different, and that's all okay. It's all okay.
SPEAKER_02
27:47
Or I was just talking to a friend of mine, and we were both saying that sometimes you find comfort in watching these old shows. Maybe it's friends' reruns because you know what the lines are gonna be and they make you laugh, and that's what you need. And that's okay if you're spending your time watching, you know, these reruns, if that's where you find comfort, you know, that's what you need, you know, or maybe it's somebody's favorite show, your loved one's favorite show. That exactly. Yeah, you know, like my mom loved murder she wrote. So sometimes I'm over there and I'm like, I'm and I know all of the I've seen them all, you know, like I'm like, oh, I'm still watching it, you know.
SPEAKER_01
28:21
It just comforting to you, and that's yeah, and and and it's it's connecting, it connects you to her and the things that she loved, and it makes you feel close and I think that people need to know that it's okay to do that if that makes if you find comfort in that, that that's okay.
SPEAKER_02
28:40
Um I do want to make-shit.
Comfort Rituals Movies Memories And Kids
SPEAKER_01
28:41
It's just when we get to the point where we're judging uh our own behavior and other people's behavior, where it becomes more difficult to to um to see how we can live with the grief. Um when you just stay curious and you know, you find resources like this and where people can have a conversation about it and really let you know that all of that is within the the experience that people have of the things that help and and what doesn't help.
SPEAKER_02
29:14
I do want to talk about your website. It's Jane KD and it's dy.com, correct? Yes. And I did notice because you do have a background um in nutrition and stuff, um, with it, you know, I find that some people like they resort to comfort food during grief. And that some people can't eat at all. What would you say, like, how's that correlation with nutrition, like being holistic to help? Because people think, oh, like you said, you're grieving, you're crying, but your whole body's going through it.
SPEAKER_01
29:46
Absolutely. In fact, um, one of the good best resources that talks about that is um Mary Frances O'Connor, who's done the grieving brain and the grieving body, actually, yeah, talks about that that biological response to grief. Yes. What I suggest to people is, you know, you have to stay hydrated, um, even if it's just little bits here and there. I mean, comfort food is fine, but um, you know, it just depends whether or not you your digestion feels well. I mean, I think even more than focusing on, you know, what we eat or don't eat, it's to be able to move your emotions through the body. So whether that's taking a walk or if you're somebody who likes, you know, to stretch or do um yoga or meditation, we do need to move the bot the body, can help mobilize the emotions. Um, I happen to be a real fan of um Paul Denniston, um, who does griefyoga.com. I just finished one of his programs, but there were times where even in my certification um education, that I did Paul's yoga. And I thought, like, yeah, I'm like, you know, doing fine here. And then I did the exercise, and I had such an emotional download that was so healing. Uh, very much like what you talked about with your friend, but it's like I wasn't really expressing those emotions and until I expressed them through an embodied experience like yoga or walking, right? I couldn't mobilize them the same way. Um, I think that in in all things when we talk about health and wellness and we want to talk about diet and lifestyle, it's really about eating nutrient-dense foods that you like, you know, being able to enjoy the eating process when you feel up to eating, not forcing yourself if you don't want to, but just staying hydrated. If somebody's really having tremendous difficulty like eating it all, you might want to do some broths, some soups, things like that, you know, that feel nourishing. But hey, if you know that chocolate chip cookie like makes you remember mom in a way. I mean, I was working with a woman who she had just lost her aunt, and you know, she Christmas was coming up, and she's like, Yeah, I just you know, we used to spend the holiday together. So, well, what was something special that you shared? And she goes, Oh, her French toast. I said, Would it be comforting for you to make and eat uh French toast that you would have had with her? She said, You know what? I just think it might. So, I mean, nobody's gonna call French toast a health.
SPEAKER_00
32:52
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01
32:54
But it is the it's the pleasurable experience of of enjoying what you know you just enjoy as a solo person, but or what you might have shared. And I think that that's that's that's a good guidance in the in the beginning, especially as you said early, early on, grief is a very different experience to when we get to the second and the third year. You know, you can call it um more mature grief. Um, you know, I think that um does that answer your question?
SPEAKER_02
33:28
Yes, yeah, because I know people are like it is something they did you eat, and sometimes you're like, uh sometimes you forget, or sometimes you're like, I don't know, or you're like, like, yeah, but I you know, and it is important. And I have to tell myself that too. Like, do do whatever it is that you like to do to move because it does help. Right.
SPEAKER_01
33:45
And what what any what any person would still advise is, you know, if you're going to pick something that's uh pick pick fruits, vegetables, things that are not processed only, you know. I would advise anybody that, you know, even if you know, chip and dip was your thing with your with your loved one, maybe to make that the only thing you eat, you know. Um, and then you listen to your body, right? Certain things are gonna feel okay and certain things aren't, but be gentle with yourself.
SPEAKER_02
34:13
And also you also you offer services on the website. People can go on there for different counseling and things like that on your website.
Grief And The Body Food Hydration Movement
SPEAKER_01
34:20
Yeah, the first thing I offer for everyone is a free initial consultation. Okay. I want you to get to know me, I want to get to know you, and we can decide together what is your next best move. And if you want one-to-one counseling, we can certainly do that. But I will supply people with resources and other things that might, you know, if if if one-to-one isn't what they want to do, I will supply them with a lot of resources so they can take their time. Uh, it's not something to be rushed. Um, people have to feel they're ready. Um, and when they are, I'm I'm I'm I'm thrilled to say that people have great experiences with support, uh, guidance, and accountability. And the accountability is only just showing up. That's all. You know, you don't have to jump through any hoops or do anything.
SPEAKER_02
35:12
Yeah. Well, thank you so much for joining us today. This has been very, very informative. And again, your web I'll have you I'll have your website link on with the show. So it's Jane K Dye Dye's D Y E.com. So people can uh check all of that out as well for it.
SPEAKER_01
35:30
So I'll leave me with this last thought. A friend of mine who's also nervous says, Do you realize that as a grief educator your name is Jane Dye? And I said yes, but it it's not spelled that way.
SPEAKER_02
35:44
So I don't know if you ever watched the show Touch by an Angel years ago.
SPEAKER_01
35:48
It was that I did in the past, yeah.
SPEAKER_02
35:50
And and the actor that played the angel, quote unquote, of death, his last name was Die too. That's spelled exactly the same. Yes, yes. Yeah, so and so it's this is a full circle type of a thing. So that's okay. Yeah, so I appreciate your sense of humor around it. Yeah, so but thank you so much for joining us today. So hopefully everyone has learned uh so if you enjoyed your cup of tea, your cup of coffee, or your glass of wine if it was a really bad day, type of a thing, and you will join us and you found some comfort and join us for another edition of Patti's Place.