Sobriety – Another Non-AA Path, coffee with Dean N

Title: Sobriety – Another Non-AA Path

 

Episode Overview

After a quick shoutout to a new listener in Bangladesh, Mike and Glenn dive into a candid conversation about the diverse paths to recovery. While AA works miraculously for many, this episode highlights that it isn’t the only way to get sober. 

They sit down with Dean Newcomb, a certified CCR recovery coach celebrating 18 years of sobriety, to discuss his unique, non-AA journey. Facing rural isolation and an unwelcoming initial meeting, Dean built his own customized program rooted in a direct, personal relationship with his higher power—bypassing the “middleman” of rigid religious expectations. 

 

Key Highlights & Takeaways

Religion vs. Spirituality: The discussion breaks down the vital distinction between man-made religious rules (the “purple robe people”) and cultivating a genuine relationship with a creator. Dean shares how finding God in nature, rather than a church basement, became the cornerstone of his early recovery.

The Shift from Pain to Fulfillment: Early sobriety is often driven by the immediate need to avoid pain and consequences. However, as Glenn, Mike, and Dean all note, long-term recovery is sustained by a desire for more out of life. Sobriety isn’t just about stopping the bad; it’s about actively filling the void with family, education, and genuine experiences.

Advice for the Newcomer: Dean outlines three actionable steps for anyone currently struggling:

1.      Get Honest: Completely admit to yourself that you have lost control. 

2.      Connect Higher: Begin building a relationship with your higher power.

3.      Speak Up: Ask for help. Even if you can’t get to a meeting, find just one person willing to listen to your story.

 

Guest Information

Dean is a certified CCR recovery coach and life coach specializing in helping people who need flexible recovery programs that fit into demanding lives. Listeners can connect with him and read his story on LinkedIn.  or at his website

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Welcome to Sober. Coffee, a weekly coffee chat sharing experience, strength, and hope for anyone on the sober road to recovery. You can download sober.coffee weekly on all podcast platforms and check us out on Instagram at sober.coffee podcast and on Twitter at sober coffee pod. To learn more about us and to help support these sessions, visit online at sober.coffee. Here are your hosts, two guys on their own path of recovery, Mike and Glenn.

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Let’s join them at the coffee shop.

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What up, Glenn? What’s up, my brother? How are you?

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Hey. Good to see you again.

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Man, good to see you. You know, we’ve been at this, like, five and a half years ish.

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Yeah. So, you know, I was wondering what happens when it all ends now because we’re out in YouTube, so YouTube will hang on to him. But will the other platforms still hang on to it for a time, or how what happens when

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I don’t know. That’s a good question for Brian. Brian, if we keep transistor growing, does this stay alive forever or we shut down transistor, everything shuts down? Okay. Okay.

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But then and and then our our website stays as long as we keep Yeah. Right. Paying the bill.

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Right. Right. So So we hang it off of there.

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So maybe it goes on forever. Who

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knows? Anyway, let’s try and go on forever, at least for or our forever.

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I know. Totally. No. It’s funny. We, heard from a a listener in Bangladesh this week.

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Was so funny. Yeah. On the YouTube channel. They Awesome. They chimed in about the, the episode we did last couple of weeks ago about sing a song.

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And, like, they’re And We’re representing Bangladesh.

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Yeah. Nice. And, you know, we got a lot of views on our a couple of weeks ago, we we did a, I forgot how we titled it. I think it was AA Works a 100% of the Time.

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Yeah. That was

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We got a little bit of we got a little bit of noise back from that. Right? Because I think just the title people want there’s still those, ah, AA don’t work. And the thing is and we won’t it was a great episode, but, you know, I don’t if AA doesn’t work for you, my drum that I beat is go find something that does then because sobriety is worth it. You know?

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Yeah. But you know what? If I’m I’m gonna

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I know.

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I’m I’m gonna crush our guests. Fired up. I’m I’m gonna take a couple seconds here, but you got me going. If if I think if your brain says AA doesn’t work

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Mhmm.

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Your brain’s in the wrong gear.

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Yeah. Right.

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Because you’re still in the driver’s seat. You’re still ego driven.

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Right.

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You know it all, and I’m gonna tell these people what does and doesn’t work. Right. What and and I’m saying that with a 100% definitive experience because I said that.

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Right.

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And the minute I surrendered and sat in the seat, and I’m like, okay. Bring it on. I will do it. I will say it. I will listen to it.

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I will experience it.

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AA worked miraculously. So so we got a guest today. Taylor’s for three. Ding ding ding. Dean.

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Welcome. Welcome.

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Dean. We’re man, we went hot right away

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on Sorry, Dean, man. Just got right.

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Dean, are you an AAer or are you a non AAer?

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I’m a non AAer.

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Alright. Awesome. So tell me what’s work tell me what’s working for you. Let’s get right to it.

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Mine was a mixture. It was some of the ideas behind AA work amazingly well. The the first one, you have to admit that you don’t have the control.

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Right.

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There you go. That That’s a biggie. Yeah. Yeah. That to me is mandatory.

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After that, I don’t I don’t follow the 12 steps necessarily. I follow follow parts of them. Mhmm. But it’s for me, it was the relationship with God creating that.

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Yeah. Right.

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And then following along with what he teaches and how he teaches and I’m not an incredibly I I grew up, you know, in Catholic school, but it was just his overall teachings. It’s not that I fall into the the religious side of this either. For me, it was just a mixture of different ones that were

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So so, Dean, when when you say his teachings, who are you referring to?

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God’s.

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Awesome.

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So I I go according to a lot of what the bible says and how he does how to live life, the rules to follow, things like that. The only reason I didn’t do AA is when I when I quit drinking, I lived out in the middle of nowhere and there there I could not find a meeting. I found one meeting and I went to it and it was in the basement of the church And it was on like 06:00 at night. And I walked in and they looked at me like I was a complete foreigner. And they said, you can sit in but you can’t say anything.

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And so I in and they did not they looked at me and said, well, we hope this helped, but you’re not welcome back.

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Wow. Why?

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No. Why? Well, you can’t

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They had a special Yeah. They had a special something going on, and I was a foreigner to them. So I

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But that’s not a day.

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That’s a terrible experience.

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Yeah. I I stopped going and I because it was so difficult to find a meeting that I could go to, I lived way too far away and there weren’t enough people in town. They didn’t have any additional meetings that I could do. And I wasn’t able to drive the time frame for me to drive into town to the nearest one where I could get a meeting was an hour. Wow.

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And I wasn’t going to do that along with taking care of my son at the time and working and doing everything else. So I put together my own little program that I followed. And it was a lot of the rules to, you know, just follow along with. And it was me and God talking back and forth. We just we did it together.

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So so help me for me, right, I I grew up, you know, in a very religious household. It was, you know, not Catholic, independent Christian, whatever you wanna call that. Right? Yeah. And and and there were a lot of rules.

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Right? And and I think right? So so coming through AA and the spirituality, and I love the fact that you listen to the teachings because so do I. But but the the teaching I I had to unlearn in sobriety. I had to unlearn

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Some of the religious stuff.

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Yeah. I call it religious crap.

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What do you call it? The purple people you’re listening?

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No. The the purple row people.

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Right.

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Right? You know, who who make up all the man made rules. Right? But that’s but it kinda goes against with the Bible because the Bible’s about a relationship, not not rules, you know, per se.

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Yeah.

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So so how did you navigate that, or are you navigating that, or did did you even recognize the difference between religious rules and and a biblical relationship with with the creator and savior?

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That’s what in my mind, that’s what exactly caused was a huge piece in my original addiction. I grew up very Catholic. Going to school and doing all of and going to church and doing everything, the difference was the rules that the church put on it and how they didn’t necessarily follow their own rules. Right.

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Hypocrites. Right.

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Yes. Exactly. And so I fell away from that. And when I fell away from it, I just fell away from all of it.

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Mhmm.

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So it was coming back, but not to to the church. It was coming back to to God and and the the whole idea of the spirituality of him.

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Mhmm.

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And so in the early days, my mom used to say, you know, why don’t you just go back to church and why don’t you, you know, go talk with a priest, go do this, go do that. And I said, I’m doing one step better. I said, I go for hikes in our area and I can take a hike in the mountains for, you know, an hour or two and I just during that hike talked with God. And I said, can bypass the middleman and go right to the root of who I want my relationship with and it’s in his church. I’m in the middle of his nature.

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He created it and so I feel much closer with him during all of this and I get to the root of my problems way quicker. And so I took out the middleman, but I I stuck with the the spirituality of him.

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I love it. I love it. So so you’re out in the middle of nowhere. You you you gave AA a try. I’ll give you that.

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You gave it a try. You went. You showed up. It was a bad experience. But then you go away and you hunker down, and you’ve gotta battle this addiction, and you’re battling it with your spiritual malady kinda trying to get right spiritually.

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Sounds to me like a lot of work. It sounds to me like you had to do a lot of work. How long you’ve been sober, by the way?

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October October 18 will be eighteen years.

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Oh my goodness. October 18 will be eight years for me.

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Oh, okay. Yeah. Okay.

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That’s fantastic. That’s fantastic. How have you

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So Yeah.

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How do you combat the in the early days, if you can remember back that long, how did you combat what what would what did your toolbox look like for you not to just say, oh, screw it. I’m having a drink.

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That it was tough in the beginning because the house that I lived in, it was shared with another guy who was an active participant.

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Weird. That’s hard.

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Wow.

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So it was the two of us and we were a distance away from, you know, life. And so when I would come home from work, it was, you know, we used to sit down and drink together.

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Yeah.

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Now I would sit down, but he would drink and I would not. And it was weird conversations because he was drinking. And so in my mind, it actually strengthened my relationship with with my higher power and my and I say god Right. Because it’s who I consider. But it it strengthened me and what I wanted to do.

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And and I would look at him the following day when we were getting ready and going to work and he was hating life and I was sitting there going, this is awesome. Right. I’ve never felt this good in my life.

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Right. Right. Right.

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So it things like that helped me. I also, I went through rehab. I went through rehab twice. The first time I had no intention. I was told I had to go.

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The second time it was my choice. And so the second time around, I had created already the idea in my head that I was done. I don’t want this anymore. I don’t want the lifestyle. It had caused issues.

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Drinking had caused issues with my son. I wanted my my son back. I wanted my time with him back and I wanted I wanted things in life that alcoholism had taken away. And so that was my toolbox. I want more out of life than what alcohol has given has provided.

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So I want the other side of life now.

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Yeah. You know, Glenn does Glenn talks to that that there is that early part of recovery where I don’t want the bad stuff to keep happening, but there’s a flip in there that says, ah, I’ve tasted the good stuff. I want more of that. And and that’s what what Glenn has talked about motivates him more than the fear of the loss is the Well,

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now fulfillment of the future. We we you know, Dean, we we had a doctor friend, and he was actually forty plus years in the medical field for alcoholism, like psychiatry. And and he said there’s only one motivator in recovery, that’s pain. And and Mhmm. You know, at one point, got some confidence.

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I’m like, now I I I I think there’s a second one. He goes, no. We used to have this debate. I’m like, I think there’s greed. Right?

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And and that’s probably a a negative word. Right? But Mhmm. But it’s like, hey. I’m starting to see and I saw in you and you before I saw it in me.

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Mhmm. I saw this stuff work and and deliver a better life. And and so I came around for a period of time, maybe two or three years cause I wanted to avoid that drink. I wanted to avoid the pain and consequences of drinking. But then I’m like, you know what?

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I keep coming around. I built quite a toolbox cause I want more of this cool stuff.

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Mhmm.

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Yep. Love it.

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Love it. So so tell me can you get into specifics since, you know, typically, when we have somebody who’s got AA experience, we talk about steps and how that impacted them. Tell me kind of some of the specifics that you work on right now and how you work on your spirituality today to keep you sober. I mean, what specifically are you doing? Are you doing group bible studies with others?

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Are you doing independent re reads of books in addition to the Bible? Are you just reading the Bible, analyzing the How do you learn and grow? Yeah. How do you learn and grow?

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How I learn and grow, I am certified as a CCR recovery coach.

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Okay.

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So the connect kit group, I’ve gone through all of their training and a lot of the training, it stays away from a lot of the spiritual side Sure. Honestly. And so for me, it is I have on Audible, I have the bible. I listen every morning to that for about fifteen, twenty minutes and it’s just going over one more piece and it’s just reiterating things that I’ve forgotten. I was so involved with the church when I was younger.

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I remember so much of it. And so coming back, it’s just going over it again. But I I it’s not for me, it’s not just that piece of it. My belief I throw a lot of what I believe in there because it worked. Mhmm.

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For me, it was whatever worked. So I also believe that the whole idea behind it is that you’re supposed to get back to life. You’re supposed to experience all that life has to offer. Alcoholism took away the experience of life. So I went back to work, I started traveling, I, you know, started to create the life.

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I would, you know, my son got into hockey, partially because I played hockey when I was younger. So taking him to hockey practice and studying for school and I started to do all the things that I wanted to do in my head all along. So I got my bachelor’s degree, I got IT certifications, I got my master’s degree. I’ve started to fill my life with life. And that’s what kept me going because it was how I had, how my relationship with God had been that I wasn’t experiencing it.

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And the night that I quit drinking, it was God asking me the question, do you wanna know how life is really meant to be lived? And it was silence after that, and just waiting for me to answer the question. I finally said, yes, I do. And it was at that moment in time that everything started to fall into place of me going back to rehab and me, you know, starting all these processes and the inner drive to just drink was taken away. So it was in all of that that it started to let’s build this life that my head has always said I was capable of doing.

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It’s, you know, that voice in the background that I’ve always said I have two voices. One is the alcohol voice and the other is me. And so my deal was for eighteen or for twenty three years, I’ve let this alcohol voice take the lead and guide my life and it’s done a horrible job.

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Mhmm.

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So it’s my turn and now I’m gonna create the the thoughts and the processes that my other side has always wanted. And so I’ve taken the lead and it’s been eighteen years and I’ve done all these things. And so it’s a complete change, from one to the other.

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That’s awesome. That’s awesome. What’s your next, what what’s your next season of life? What what what do you look because your son obviously now is how old? Kind

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He’s 29.

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29. So he’s he’s kinda grown out of the house

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doing his thing. Yeah. Yeah. He’s doing his thing. So I’m remarried now, which this is much better this time around.

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We still have our issues. Everyone will, but that’s part of it. You learn to work through everything and that’s part of the whole feeling all the emotions, feeling how it is meant to be lived. And so now I’ve started a coaching, a recovery coaching program. I do life coaching as well.

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I also do the recovery coaching and I do it for people who are similar in nature to me. People who don’t necessarily have the time to step away from life and just go through recovery and do all of the steps and do all of it. I have the program similar to just how I did it. And I help get through into recovery and figure out their lives without the the whatever it is, alcohol or something else.

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Right. Right. You know, I I was blessed with the fact, and I’ve seen it happen so many times, and Glenn, I know in your story, happened with you too, that once we made the decision to get back and get sober, time became available. I mean, how how that was orchestrated that first two years of my sobriety, how I was given time to heal and and to build a foundation, it blows me away because I didn’t think when I went to when I went to rehab, I’m like, no. I you don’t understand.

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I’ve got a mortgage. I’ve got responsibilities. I’ve got utilities. I’ve got stuff I gotta be paying for, and the people around me just said, shut up. Just go heal, and everything worked out.

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I mean, everything worked out, and I had time to heal, but I had to I had to have that inner desire to want to heal. So and I know, Clinton, you had a very similar experience.

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Yeah. I mean I mean, frankly, I I drank a lot because of those down, boring times, and I couldn’t take it. Right? Mhmm. And early in sobriety, you know, I started, you know, identifying that, and then I started doing.

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Right? I mean, that’s one the things about AA. There’s a lot of activities, a lot of opportunities to get involved, and and I did that a lot. Mhmm. You know, and I I I filled my downtime instead of, you know, dangerous thinking, I just got outside my head and went to a went to a meeting or I went to a coffee or

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Mhmm.

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You know, got involved. But that’s part of the tools that that I started to develop.

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Right. So so, Dean, what do you how do you get your message out?

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How do you let people know you’re there to help them through recovery? Especially on the coaching front.

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On the coaching front. Yeah.

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I have a website. I’m also on LinkedIn. I do a lot of, posting on LinkedIn about my my story.

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Oh, good.

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That’s how I met that’s how I met, Greg. Oh, yeah. It was LinkedIn. Okay. And so him and I had a call and we actually talked.

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So I read his postings, his story and he reads mine and that’s how my primary method of getting my story out and getting the message out of what I do, is through that. But I also have, my website which I’ve created and it’s fairly new. I’m still working on building it, but I have a blog, series that I do on there. And, so Greg and I had talked and I said, you know, my next step would probably be, seeing about a podcast. And he goes, well, he goes, let me introduce you.

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So that’s how I met you guys.

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Well, can I can I make a recommendation for you? If you do decide to go podcast Yeah. We were gonna buy a couple of $125 mics and do it over Zoom and, you know, and Yep. And and do it all ourselves. We’re sitting in the middle of a beautiful studio right now.

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And you know what it does? It does a couple of things. First of all, it delivers quality, audio. It keeps us in check, so we’re we’re accountable. We need to be here.

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It’s it’s serious because sobriety is serious. And and and so, anyway, we use AudioHive here in Chicago, but

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fine It provides our focus to be on Topic and not technology. Content and and We don’t have to worry about technology. Worry about playing stuff in which we would have screwed up.

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Right. Right. Right. Right.

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Yeah. I get it.

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Well, that’s exciting. So as we wind up here, give talk to the newcomer. Talk to the guy who’s still out there, gal who’s still out there kinda struggling with their sobriety or thoughts of becoming sober. What would you recommend to them as some good action items to do

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at this juncture? First, be honest with yourself. Be completely honest with yourself that you’ve lost control and you don’t have control over your drinking or whatever drug it is you’re doing. Create your relationship with whoever your higher power is and find people who you can talk to. Those are the three biggest things for me.

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It’s, you know, one, you have to admit you have the issue. You have some sort of problem. And the relationship for me with God was crucial. It was the biggest piece to help me make it through the hard times and then being able to talk with other people. Whether it’s people who are the the friendliest because they know your whole story is going to a meeting and talking with people who know your story Mhmm.

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Or know your background, how you got there. Other than that, talking with anyone in general will really help because just being able to spill to someone who’s willing to listen will help you. That’s my belief anyways. If you can’t make it to the meetings while those help the most, speaking with anyone, speaking with someone who at least will listen to you so that you can start to help, get the help you require. That’s my biggest thing.

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You have to learn to ask for help, reach out, you know. Asking for help is is difficult for everyone, but especially people who are trying to hide what their life has become.

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That’s where my whole journey started with three simple words, I need help, you know. That’s where it started. So I I love it. I I think this this session has been so great because I I think I hope the message that our listeners get is that there’s a lot of people out there recovering right now with 12 steps, without 12 steps, with spirituality, with with some commitment, with some honesty. It it brings me hope.

00:24:47.420 –> 00:24:53.820
I mean, go find a way. As you said, go talk to somebody. Pick up the phone. Go to LinkedIn. Find Dean.

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He’ll link will be on this LinkedIn be on our website. Reach out to the show. What is it, Glenn? Podcast@Sober.Coffee.

00:25:01.325 –> 00:25:02.125
That’s exactly what

00:25:02.125 –> 00:25:02.285
it is.

00:25:02.285 –> 00:25:10.525
Yeah. Just email. Just email podcast@Sober.Coffee. Start the conversation. Let people help you out, and and that’s Right.

00:25:10.525 –> 00:25:13.830
I I think this has been great, Dean. It’s been great because

00:25:14.070 –> 00:25:14.790
Yeah. It has.

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I need people to hear that AA is a is a way. It’s not the only way, but it’s a way. And so you got two resources here. You can go the AA route, reach out to Glenn and Mike. You can go the non AA route, reach out to Dean and and others like Dean, and, we really appreciate you being on this morning.

00:25:35.885 –> 00:25:37.085
Yeah. Thanks for taking the time, dude.

00:25:37.085 –> 00:25:40.960
We appreciate it. I appreciate you guys having me on. I definitely appreciate it.

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Luck. We’ll come on to your podcast.

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There we go.

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Alright. Alright. Thank you very much.

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Alright. Cheating.

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Alright. Cheating.

00:25:46.720 –> 00:25:47.520
Please have a good one.

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Alright. Bye.

00:25:50.415 –> 00:26:12.580
Thanks for joining us for today’s coffee chat. To contact the show, email us at podcast@sober.coffee. If you need immediate help, the AA hotline is 808391686. The National Suicide Prevention hotline is (800) 273-8255. Remember, Mike and Glenn are sharing their own journey on the path to recovery.

00:26:12.740 –> 00:26:21.105
Any suggestions, medical or otherwise, are their own experiences and should not be viewed as professional advice. See you next week and remember, there is a solution.

It is better to be Better – coffee with Author David Deane Haskell

Episode Overview David Dean Haskell, author of Wounded Angels, joins hosts Mike and Glenn at the Sober.Coffee shop (zooming in from Tokyo) for a deep discussion on sobriety, trauma, and moving beyond mere abstinence to achieve genuine emotional healing.

Key Discussion Points

  • Beyond Abstinence to Inner Child Work: Putting down alcohol is the vital first step, but it is rarely the end of the journey. David shares how codependency and unresolved inner child wounds—rather than just the addiction itself—led him to seek deeper healing and ultimately write Wounded Angels for those asking, “Is this all there is?”
  • Trauma Has No Standard Formula: The guys discuss how background doesn’t dictate addiction. While some endure chaotic childhoods without developing alcoholism, others—like Glenn, who rated his childhood a 9 out of 10—still succumb to the disease. Understanding personal trauma is about getting well.
  • The “Why” vs. The Solution: When actively trying to get sober, obsessing over “why” can become a distraction. Glenn shared how years of overanalyzing kept him stuck until he accepted his alcoholism, embraced the 12 Steps, and prioritized a spiritual experience. However, once stable, examining root causes helps navigate life’s ongoing challenges.
  • Working the Tools Through Life’s Storms: Recovery doesn’t stop life from throwing curveballs. Mike, Glenn, and David emphasize that regular inventories, processing trauma, and relying on spiritual grounding allow you to remain steady—and even thrive—amid the storms.
  • Honesty in Medical Care: A critical point of agreement was rigorous honesty with healthcare professionals. The group highlights the dangers of mixing alcohol with medications, misdiagnoses stemming from hidden substance abuse, and the absolute necessity of medical supervision when adjusting prescriptions for depression or anxiety.

Core Takeaways & Closing Advice

  • Total Sobriety Comes First: Nothing else works until the substance abuse stops.
  • Holistic Balance: Long-term recovery requires daily attention to emotional, mental, physical, and spiritual health.
  • Message to the Sober Curious: If you are in pain, don’t give up on yourself. Keep seeking answers, do the deeper work, and remember: it’s better to be better.

David Dean Haskell’s book, Wounded Angels, is available on Amazon.

Sing a Song

Music has a profound ability to soothe the soul, soothe cravings, and anchor emotional sobriety. In this episode of Sober.Coffee, Mike and Glenn explore the soundtrack of their recovery journeys, breaking down 10 meaningful tracks that provided hope, perspective, and healing when moving from rock bottom to a renewed life.

Episode Playlist & Takeaways

  • Song 1: Chicago – “I’ve Been Searching So Long” (Mike) Reflects the exhaustion of searching for peace in the wrong places and finally finding the answer in sobriety.
  • Song 2: U2 – “40” (Glenn) The show’s official anthem. A reminder of being pulled out of the pit to sing a new song of hope and freedom.
  • Song 3: Bad Company – “Ready for Love” (Mike) A rock anthem turned spiritual milestone—discovering how to love oneself, love others unconditionally, and love God.
  • Song 4: The Cure – “Pictures of You” (Glenn) A tool for emotional sobriety. Making peace with old memories and photos from active addiction while cherishing the present clarity.
  • Song 5: Elevation Worship – “The Blessing” (Mike) A spiritual, grounding track focused on stepping into a peaceful life and being a living blessing to those around you.
  • Song 6: Matt Redman – “Better Is One Day” (Glenn) Centering the mind on spiritual connection: one day of clear, sober connection to a Higher Power outweighs thousands spent numb.
  • Song 7 & 8: Jack’s Mannequin – “Swim” (Glenn) Perspective in hard times. No matter how deep or rough the waters get in recovery, the assignment is simple: just keep swimming.
  • Song 9: Heart – “Love Alive” (Mike) A sonic reminder to keep love as the driving engine behind daily actions and recovery work.
  • Song 10: Blue October – “Better Man” (Glenn) A stark, powerful look at the journey from hell to redemption—showing what it truly means to live every day as a better man.

Music bridges the gap between isolation and recovery. When words fail, melody and honest lyrics provide the stress relief, connection, and spiritual clarity needed to stay anchored one day at a time.

AA Works – 100% of the Time

Episode Title: “AA Works 100% of the Time”

Hosts: Mike & Glenn

The Data Dilemma: Does AA Actually Work?

Hosts Mike and Glenn open the episode by tackling a common question: What percentage of people who go to Alcoholics Anonymous actually get sober?

They agree that because AA is an anonymous program lacking a formal structure for surveys or data collection, any statistic cited out there is essentially made up. There is no comprehensive, quantitative data set—only snippets.

However, the hosts argue that while the program’s overall statistics are impossible to track, the success rate for an individual who completely commits is absolute: When you surrender to the program, get a sponsor, take directives to heart, and stay active, AA works 100% of the time.

The “Secret Sauce” and Page 58

The hosts ground their argument in Page 58 of the Big Book of Alcoholics Anonymous, which famously states:

“Rarely have we seen a person fail who has thoroughly followed our path.”

When people follow the program and still relapse, Glenn suggests there is a “disconnect”—much like an ignored warning light in a car. Ignoring a low tire pressure light eventually leads to a blowout and a crash; in recovery, dishonesty is that warning light. Those who fail are usually those who cannot or will not completely give themselves to the program.

Exceptions: The Big Book notes exceptions for those with severe mental health issues. However, the hosts point out that diagnoses made while actively drinking can be skewed, and many ills are solved simply through abstinence and a competent recovery program.

Host Spotlight: Personal Journeys

  • Glenn’s Story (The 10% Phase): Initially, Glenn tried doing AA his way, which resulted in a 10% success rate. He was a “yo-yo,” letting his ego and judgment keep him from truly connecting. When he finally surrendered—listening to others’ pain and finding similarities instead of differences—the program began to work.
  • Mike’s Story (The Deep End): Mike found success by completely surrendering his own will from day one. He “drank the Kool-Aid,” jumped into the deep end, and embraced rigorous honesty, selfless behavior, and service. By letting others count on him, he achieved 100% sobriety.

Perception vs. Reality

  • Celebrity Relapses: The hosts note that when a celebrity endorses AA and later relapses or dies, the world views it as an “AA failure.” In reality, it is an individual failure resulting from taking one’s will back or stopping being honest.
  • The Gym Membership Analogy: Saying AA doesn’t work without doing the work is like buying a gym membership, never working out, and blaming the gym for you not getting fit.
  • Dealing with “Bad Apples”: There may be people with bad intentions in the rooms, but meeting attendance shouldn’t be based on how you feel about others. The focus must remain on personal recovery and service.

Glenn’s Three Pillars of Proof

Glenn summarizes his belief in AA’s foolproof nature with three points:

  1. Total Surrender: If you surrender 100%, it works 100%.
  2. Living Proof: He sees it work 100% of the time for the hundreds of successful, active people he “does life” with.
  3. The Promise: He adheres strictly to the Big Book’s promise that those who thoroughly follow the path rarely fail.

Closing Thoughts & Disclaimer

The hosts acknowledge that AA is not the only path—other solutions include alternative recovery programs, counseling, and church. For the “sober curious,” they recommend giving AA a try for 90 days or a year.

Special Medical Note: The medication Antabuse is briefly mentioned in this episode. Listeners are strongly advised to seek professional medical advice before taking any medications.

Conclusion: People may claim AA doesn’t work, but for Mike, Glenn, and the hundreds of active, accountable, and service-minded people around them, it is working 100% of the time.

Healing Together

Sober.Coffee Podcast Episode Summary

Episode Title: Healing Together
Hosts: Mike & Glenn

Episode Overview

If you think you can figure out alcoholism on your own, hosts Mike and Glenn have a blunt truth for you: in all their years of recovery, they have never seen that work successfully. Not once. In this powerful episode, Mike and Glenn break down the dangerous myth of the “Do-It-Yourself” recovery plan. As two natural DIY guys, they spent years trying to tackle their drinking problems alone, experiencing failed attempt after failed attempt. They share the hard-learned lesson that while you have to learn recovery individually, you simply cannot achieve lasting transformation by yourself. It truly takes a village.

From the life-threatening dangers of medical detox to the emotional minefield that remains after you put the bottle down, the hosts discuss why community is the ultimate key to breaking through life’s toughest challenges and finding a peaceful, purposeful way to live.

Key Takeaways & Mantras

  • The Brain Trap: “It’s hard to fix a problem with the same brain that created it,” and “It’s hard to read the label on your own jar.” Ego tells us we can handle it, but self-reliance fails miserably when it comes to alcoholism.
  • More Than Abstinence: Putting down the alcohol is just the first step. True recovery isn’t just about not drinking; it’s about learning a better way to live. Without the tools of Alcoholics Anonymous (AA), removing alcohol leaves a person completely exposed to their fears, resentments, shame, remorse, and self-hate.
  • The Paradox of Service: Mike shares his shift from using people to get what he needed, to realizing that focusing on serving others brings back more than he could ever ask for. In recovery, you have to give it away to keep it. Living in a bubble does not support a life of service.
  • Why AA Works: For those who claim AA doesn’t work, Mike and Glenn offer their own lives as living proof that it does. In a room of 10 or 12 people sharing, alcohol is just the admission ticket and the common thread—the real focus is on learning how to live a better life. When you live better, you naturally distance yourself from the need to drink.

The 9 Practices of a Healing Community

For anyone looking for true transformation, the hosts emphasize surrendering to a community of like-minded individuals. They share 9 vital inputs and practices that provide the necessary outside influence to heal:

  1. Therapist – Professional guidance to unpack the past.
  2. Church – Spiritual anchoring and fellowship.
  3. Men’s / Spiritual Group – A safe space for deep, focused connection.
  4. Sponsor – A guide who has walked the path before you.
  5. Alcoholics Anonymous (AA) – The core program of action.
  6. Readings – Daily literature to keep the mind centered.
  7. Meditations – Grounding practices for emotional sobriety.
  8. Sponsorship – Giving back by sponsoring and helping others.
  9. Sober Community Involvement – Actively engaging with a sober network.

⚠️ An Urgent Note on Detoxing: The challenge of recovery starts with detoxing. Attempting to detox on your own without medical support can be strictly life-threatening. Always seek medical advice before abruptly abstaining from alcohol.

A Message to the Sober-Curious

If you are standing on the edge looking in, know that you do not have to live life alone. Find a sober program, find a therapist, plug into a church, and actively seek outside influence. Look for a community to be your lighthouse. When we work together, we heal together.

Rapid Fire 2026 – updated espresso shots

🎙️ Podcast Summary: Rapid Fire 2026 – Updated Espresso Shot

Hosts: Mike & Glenn

Listen/Connect: http://www.sober.coffee

In this fast-paced, high-energy “espresso shot” episode, Mike and Glenn sit down in the coffee shop to tackle some of the most common, burning questions in recovery. From the rules of sobriety dates to trading addictions and changing social circles, the hosts deliver raw, honest insights on what it truly takes to maintain a healthy recovery.

⏱️ Topic 1: The Importance of a Solid Sobriety Date

Alcoholics Anonymous is a program entirely rooted in honesty. Therefore, being rigorous about your sobriety date is just as vital as being honest about everything else.

  • What counts? Any sip, tug, or swallow of a substance/pill constitutes a relapse. While it’s ultimately your program (“you do you”), coddling doesn’t work, and relapse can be fatal.
  • The Comeback: If you slip, return with a genuine desire to fix the problem. Identify what went wrong, prioritize your recovery, and work to move the program’s information from your head down to your heart.

🍷 Topic 2: Is the Goal to Drink “Normally” or Never Drink Again?

The reality of recovery is that it is a forever program. While there may be initial resistance, true surrender leads to accepting that “forever” is the goal.

  • The Reality Check: “We can’t drink normal because we are not normal.”
  • Over time, that resistance fades into a deep appreciation for the clarity that sobriety brings. (Tip: Counselors and therapists can vastly help with this transition, but only if you are completely honest with them).

🔄 Topic 3: Trading Addictions (The “ISM”)

Addressing the habit of swapping one vice for another, Mike quotes their friend, Dr. John: “There is a hole in the soul, and we are constantly trying to fill that hole.”

  • Slop vs. Spirituality: Filling the hole with “slop” (unhealthy habits) feels good in the moment but leaves you feeling bad overall. Filling it with spirituality—the purest insert—might feel uncomfortable or challenging at first, but it leaves you feeling good overall.
  • The Key: Remember that it is an ISM, not a WASM (it’s an ongoing condition). Self-awareness is crucial. If a behavior is excessive, it’s likely unhealthy.

🎁 Topic 4: The Biggest Surprises in Sobriety

  • Mike’s Surprise: The promise that the “fear of economic insecurity will leave us” came true. In active addiction, he chased money as a priority. In sobriety, making recovery the priority allows financial stability to naturally follow. “Keep coming back until the miracle happens.”
  • Glenn’s Surprise: Glenn was gifted three superpowers: Sobriety, Spirituality, and Serving. He is constantly amazed at what recovery delivers, proving the old adage: “The more you give, the more you get.”

☁️ Topic 5: The Pink Cloud vs. Healthy Recovery

Mike defines the “Pink Cloud” as a state of temporary euphoria where someone doesn’t have their feet firmly planted on the ground or fully grasp reality.

  • The Balance: Mike prefers a mix of both—reaching for the miracles that await while remaining grounded in the reality that life still happens.
  • The Verdict: While the pink cloud is temporary, healthy recovery is permanent when you actively work a solid AA program.

👥 Topic 6: Will We Have to Change Friends?

Simply put: Yes. Today, protection of your sobriety comes first.

  • Toxic people have no room in your sphere of influence.
  • It is critical to be intentional about who you allow into your inner circle.

☕ The Final Verdict: Is It All Worth It?

The hosts wrap up the episode with an emphatic, resounding YES!

To anyone who is “sober curious,” Mike and Glenn offer a simple challenge: give sobriety a shot. Many in the program suggest giving it at least a year to see the full transformation. Ultimately, nobody ever regrets getting sober.

The Superpower of Forgiveness

Podcast Summary: The Superpower of Forgiveness

Show: Sober.Coffee Podcast

Hosts: Mike and Glenn

Episode Title: The Superpower of Forgiveness

Executive Summary

In this deep and moving session, Mike and Glenn hunker down in the coffee shop to take a profound dive into the concept of forgiveness. Moving from the chaos of active addiction to the peace of sobriety, they explore a central, recurring message: forgiveness is a superpower. The hosts break down this superpower into three distinct dimensions: forgiving ourselves, asking forgiveness from others, and granting forgiveness to those who have wronged us. Ultimately, the episode serves as a roadmap for shedding the heavy baggage of shame, guilt, and resentment to achieve true freedom.

Key Themes & Discussion Points

  • The Contrast of Active Addiction vs. Sobriety
    • Before sobriety, life was murky and blurry. There was no time spent “parked” on the reality of their actions.
    • The hosts recall having a “short wick” with absolutely no room for forgiving others.
    • Apologies during active drinking and drugging were either nonexistent or empty, weaponized to “use others to gain life.” As the saying goes: “Words without action is manipulation.”
  • The Three Directions of Forgiveness
    • Forgiving Ourselves: How do we forgive ourselves for moments we will never get back, or the monumental damage done while focused on the drink? The hosts emphasize that letting go of this internal wreckage is vital.
    • Forgiving Others: Unforgiveness tears us up inside. Glenn notes that we must grant the same grace to others that has been graciously extended to us, living out the principle: “Forgive us our trespasses AS we forgive those who trespass against us.”
    • Seeking Forgiveness: Moving past a simple “I’m sorry” and transitioning into active amends.
  • The Spiritual and Twelve-Step Connection
    • The Foundation: True forgiveness starts with the spiritual realization that we are already forgiven by our Creator, a truth supported by reassurance found in the Bible.
    • The Framework: Alcoholics Anonymous doesn’t just mess with your drinking; it messes with your living.
    • Steps 4 & 5 act as the essential unloading of resentments and map out the explicit need for forgiveness.
    • Steps 8 & 9 prove the power of forgiveness through action, bringing the undeserved gift of grace to fruition via real amends.
  • Processing Deep Hurts & Protecting the Core
    • The hosts discuss varying levels of hurt (Levels 1, 2, and 3), noting that the deepest wounds often stem from childhood and formative years.
    • Hurt must be acknowledged and processed; forgiveness is a unique, highly individual journey that requires a personal action plan.
    • Being “Guarded”: Today, protection doesn’t mean isolation. It means intentionally surrounding oneself with a safe social core of people.

The Bottom Line

Resentments lead to a drink. Hanging onto unforgiveness has zero value.

True forgiveness requires us to be fearless, thorough, and willing to go deep. When we embrace the true definition of love—caring about another’s well-being more than our own—forgiveness eventually becomes instinctive. It is a transformational process that busts through barriers, lightens the load of shame and guilt, and ultimately delivers a better, more peaceful life.

Unseeing Sobriety – coffee with Paige Calentino

Podcast Summary: “Unseeing Sobriety”

Show/Segment: Coffee with Paige Calentino

Hosts: Mike & Glenn (sober.coffee)

Guest: Paige Calentino – Sober Curious Coach and TikTok Creator

Episode Overview

Paige Calentino rejoins Mike and Glenn in the sober.coffee shop to dive deep into what has evolved from a personal recovery path into a shared life mission. For all three, sobriety required a total shift—a mandated “psychic change” and a 180-degree identity transformation. Today, they view their work not just as a job, but as life-saving service.

Key Discussion Points

1. The Coaching Framework & “Identity Expansion”

Paige utilizes a structured approach to help clients rewrite their relationship with alcohol, focusing heavily on shifting how they view themselves.

  • The Entry Point: A 3-month coaching container designed as the foundation for a long-term relationship.
  • The Process: Rewiring the brain through structured modules, education, journaling, self-discovery, real-world experiences, and targeted homework.
  • The Goal: Moving from restriction to identity expansion—evolving into someone who simply does not want to drink, rather than someone who is fighting the urge.
  • The Result: Discovering that we are capable, competent, and fully able to connect and survive without a substance.

2. Handling Slips and Relapses

  • Instead of viewing relapses or slips as absolute failures, the team reframes them as valuable data.
  • Slips provide direct insight into specific triggers and highlight the exact areas that still need emotional or behavioral work.
  • A major focus of coaching is navigating changing social dynamics to protect and sustain sobriety.

3. Pathways to Sobriety: Modern Coaching vs. Traditional AA

  • Paige’s coaching is presented as another vital option alongside programs like Alcoholics Anonymous (AA).
  • The hosts note that while all programs have a process and many work, finding highly qualified coaches in a crowded marketplace is key.
  • Mindful Drinking vs. Abstinence: While Paige works with clients who wish to explore mindful, moderate drinking, she and the hosts candidly share that they did not succeed at it personally. Total abstinence remains their chosen path.

4. Vulnerability and Growth

  • Paige opens up about using her business growth to continue building her own identity.
  • Putting herself out there publicly (including on TikTok) requires intense vulnerability. While it can be rough, she notes it is incredibly rewarding.

Final Thoughts & Core Takeaways

“Alcohol is the one thing that, if you take it away from your life, will transform that same life in positive ways.”

  • Sobriety Wins: Taking alcohol away delivers a bigger, more positive life transformation than most people realize, opening the door to living life to the fullest.
  • Start Small: Sobriety starts with simple awareness. You don’t have to commit to “forever” right away—though many choose to stay sober because of the gifts it brings.
  • The “Unseeing” Effect: Once you become aware of what life looks like through the lens of sobriety, you can’t unsee it. Just give yourself the space to explore and take the first step.

Additional Resources Mentioned

  • Free Online Community: Available through Paige’s website for anyone looking for peer support on their sober-curious journey. (www.paigecalentino.com)

From Blackout to Belief: Unlocking the worlds best kept secret with Paige Calentino

Episode Title:

From Blackout to Belief: Unlocking the worlds best kept secret with Paige Calentino

Host / Guest Lineup:

  • Hosts: Mike & Glenn
  • Special Guest: Paige Calentino – Sober Curious Life Coach

Episode Summary:

Welcome back into the coffee shop! In this powerful episode, Mike and Glenn sit down with Paige Calentino, a sober curious life coach who shares her deeply relatable journey from a “work hard, play hard” weekend binge drinker to finding her true purpose in sobriety.

For years, Paige lived the fast-paced party lifestyle, but underneath the surface, a profound disconnect was growing. Her reality simply didn’t match the vision she had for her life. Feeling sick and tired, she initially tried righting the ship with 30-day and 90-day sober challenges. While these breaks made her feel better and helped her pick up the pieces through relational devastations, she found herself trapped in a cycle of trying to moderate or save drinking for “special occasions.” She quickly realized a frustrating truth: the more she tried to stop, the more she drank.

Everything changed on Christmas Day 2022. After drinking to a total blackout, Paige woke up overwhelmed by shame, remorse, and defeat. It was her turning point. Recognizing that moderation was an illusion, she chose a hard line of total abstinence and committed to an alcohol-free existence. Paige opens up about the grit it took to survive that tough first year, including how she intentionally secluded herself to protect her peace until she built up the confidence to navigate social settings.

Today, Paige has discovered what she calls “the world’s best-kept secret”—sobriety. By removing alcohol, her physical and mental health thrived, she rebuilt internal self-trust, formed healthier relationships, and unlocked the time to pursue her true passions.

Now, Paige is giving back. She shares how she guides other women through her highly successful, women-only coaching containers. Her 3-month program utilizes weekly one-on-one sessions, education, visualization, hypnosis, and daily journaling to externalize the “head stuff,” smash limiting beliefs, and get to the root “why” behind drinking.

Mike, Glenn, and Paige conclude the episode with a powerful reminder: who we do life with is just as important as doing life itself, and sometimes changing your people, places, and even your profession is exactly what is needed to change your life’s possibilities.

Key Takeaways & Highlights:

  • The Trap of Moderation: How attempting to limit alcohol to special occasions often fuels the desire to drink more.
  • Protecting Your Peace: The necessity of temporary seclusion in early sobriety to build social confidence.
  • The Ultimate Secret: Sobriety isn’t about losing something; it’s about gaining internal self-trust, joy, and purpose.
  • The Power of Coaching: Inside Paige’s women-only coaching framework, combining hypnosis, visualization, and journaling to overcome limiting beliefs.

To connect with Paige or learn more about her 3-month coaching programs, check out  paigecalentino.com
Keep coming back to the coffee shop!

From Chaos to Calm – 7 phrases that help

“From Chaos to Calm” is a rapid-fire Q&A episode of the Sober.Coffee Podcast, where hosts Mike and Glenn break down seven foundational recovery phrases that help transition a life from a state of exhausting chaos into true calmness. [1, 2]

Below is a structured summary of their discussion, detailing the definitions, core mindsets, and key action steps for each recovery phrase.

☕ Episode Overview

  • Hosts: Mike and Glenn.
  • Setting: The Sober.Coffee shop.
  • Format: Rapid-fire Q&A.
  • Core Theme: Using traditional recovery wisdom as tools to move from chaos to calm. [1, 2]

🧩 Breakdown of the 7 Recovery Sayings

1. “Fake it till you make it”

  • The Reality: Alcoholics Anonymous (AA) is ultimately a program of honesty.
  • The Nuance: Sometimes, you must physically go through the motions of recovery until your mindset catches up with your actions.
  • The Evolution: In active addiction, people act like chameleons; sobriety requires being entirely real.
  • Better Alternatives: “Do it in spite of how you feel” or “Act as if.”

2. “Don’t drink and go to meetings”

  • The Value: This is a cornerstone solution praised for its ultimate simplicity.
  • The Mindset: It sounds so simple it almost borderlines on stupid, but it is the definitive answer to maintaining sobriety.
  • The Outcome: Following these basic, explicit instructions is exactly where the “miracle” of recovery happens.

3. “Give it up to God”

  • The Nuance: While surrender is vital, it cannot be passive.
  • The Revision: The hosts add, “…and do something about it.”
  • The Key: Combining spiritual surrender with proactive personal action.

4. “Do the next right thing”

  • The Value: This serves as a foundational building block for daily sobriety.
  • How to Know What’s Right: Lean on your support network by getting input from meetings and your sponsor. Accountability is crucial.
  • 3 Action Steps:
    1. Go to meetings.
    2. Read the Big Book.
    3. Work the steps.
  • The Early Sobriety Shortcut: If you cannot figure out what the next right thing is, simply identify and avoid the next wrong thing (e.g., don’t drink, don’t lie, don’t cheat, don’t act self-serving, and do what you say you will do).

5. “Your thoughts and feelings are valid. Act on them.” (Reversed by Hosts)

  • The Trap: Relying strictly on your feelings can lead directly back to a drink, because wanting a drink may feel like a valid emotion.
  • The Illusion: People chase the immediate euphoria of the first 30 seconds of a drink, a cycle many pursue for decades until it stops working.
  • The Tool: “Replay the whole tape.” Remember exactly what happens after those first 30 seconds and where the drink ultimately leads.
  • ⚠️ Critical Medical Note: Quick and abrupt alcohol cessation can cause severe medical conditions and can be fatal. Always seek professional medical advice before quitting cold turkey.

6. “One day at a time”

  • The Value: A core pillar of the program. Dwelling on yesterday or obsessing over tomorrow offers no value.
  • The Strategy: Process long-term future goals into bite-sized, actionable tasks for today. Working Steps 8 and 9 properly helps alleviate the emotional weight of past issues.
  • Action Steps: Connect with recovery brothers and sisters. If a day feels too heavy, break it down to “one hour at a time.”
  • The Secret: Living entirely in the moment. Most projected future anxieties never happen. Focus on providing value in the current hour.

7. “Living on the beam”

  • The Metaphor: Life in recovery is like balancing on a tightrope beam.
  • The Negative Side: Leaning toward restlessness, irritability, and discontent. (When you are off the beam, everything in life feels wrong).
  • The Positive Side: Leaning toward honesty, humility, and service.
  • The Practice: Use consistent self-awareness to regularly audit which side of the beam you are leaning toward.

📌 Summary Conclusion

In active addiction, individuals constantly feed off an exhausting cycle of chaos. By practicing and implementing these seven phrases, individuals can successfully ground themselves, shift their behavior, and discover lasting calm.