How To Get The Struggle Bus Moving-Interview with Laura Sharp-Waites

Welcome And Meet Laura Sharp Waits

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Welcome to Patty's Place, a place where we'll talk about grief, dementia, and caregiving. I name this podcast in honor of my mom, Pat, who passed away from dementia about two and a half years ago. I'm your host, Lisa, and this is a place where we will know that you're not alone. So grab your cup of coffee, your cup of tea, or if you're having a really bad day, your glass of wine. And let's get to talking

When You Wake Up Exhausted

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today. Today I'm very excited. My guest is Laura Sharp Waits, she's a licensed minister and the voice behind At the Counter with the Baking Pastor. She creates space for people to slow down, breathe, and reconnect with God in the middle of everyday life, especially in seasons that feel heavy, uncertain, or hard to name. Welcome, Laura. Welcome to Patty's Place.

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Thank you, Lisa, for having me.

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And you know, today it's kind of gloomy here in Joliet, like it's gonna rain again. So I could really uh I think it's a good day that we're talking about all of this because some days I do find it's kind of hard to find God. So how do you keep going when you wake up tired and just you just don't know where you're going? What do you do?

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I suggest that you kind of take an inventory of what all's going on in your brain. Sometimes your brain's so full because you've got so much going on. And if you stop and pause and are willing to journal, I know some people prefer to do it on their phones, but there's an act of the the coming from the brain down the arm to the pen to a journal where you can just kind of download all of your thoughts and it clears your head up, and then you can say, okay, what's going on? I'm grateful that I can get all that in my head. It's gloomy, but that means it may rain. So we can be grateful for that.

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So spending time on the little itty bitty moments, which is hard to do, especially when you're caregiving or you're going through grief or a lot of things are going on because you just you feel lost in all of the big things. So it's it's hard to find those grateful moments for those little things at times. So how how how does somebody try to stay connected with God when you when you just feel really distant and fragile?

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Most times when people tell me they feel distant from God, it usually means they took a couple sidesteps.

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Okay.

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They weren't willing to work with God, give God their all, give the situation fully to Him. Like they would leave it at the altar and halfway back down the aisle, they'd kind of reach back up and grab it, and they're like, Yeah, I'm not ready to let go of that yet. But you know, I call the power of she were arm, you're just reaching for it and you don't leave it. But if you are away from God, usually it's because you stepped away. And so I usually just suggest get back into your into your Bible, do your devotions. But most of all, he's there to be our best friend. He's there. We can talk to him all during the day, not just when we need something. So for me, I have time specially scheduled in the morning for coffee with God. My cat and I grab the devotionals and the Bible, and I try and juggle her and the Bible in the coffee cup, which get challenging sometimes. And then I talk to him all during the day. For instance, uh, before this podcast, Lord, be with us on this podcast. Allow what you want to be heard. I talk to him all during

Feeling Far From God Again

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the day. Um, I laugh at myself and I'm thinking, wow, Lord, you're gonna have a fun time with this today, aren't you?

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Yeah, someday, you know, sometimes that's uh that old saying, if you don't laugh, you're gonna cry, right? Yes. So what do you do in seasons where you know life just doesn't look the way you expected it to do?

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That can be almost any day and almost any time, right?

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Exactly.

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Uh it can be for a whole host of reasons, but I love to tell people to find your special group, your your prayer partners, the people you can go to, your your go-to community, that if you have a I have a group text set up with a few of my favorite special people. And if I'm on the struggle bus, I'll text them a message and say, pray for me, y'all. I need help. I don't know what's going on, but just pray. And knowing that people are out there, they're not judging, they're not saying, oh, here we go again, they're just gonna pray and lift up whatever if I share, if not, they know just to pray whatever's going on. But have those people you can go to uh if they're close. Mine aren't necessarily close to where I am, so I can text them. But if you're close and can go grab a cup of coffee and just sit and hang out, that would be awesome. But make sure you have your your group of folks, and if you are navigating caregiving or a health issue yourself, please get on the prayer list. Too many people tell me, oh, I don't want anybody to know. Well, people can't pray for you if they don't know. So please add yourself, have everybody you know add you to the prayer list. I I did that when I went through breast cancer. It was the first thing I said. Put me on your prayer list because this is gonna be a journey.

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Oh, definitely. I like your saying uh I'm on the struggle bus today. I like that saying because some days it does feel that way. You're just like, I don't know what to do with it. How do you how do you tell somebody how do they carry grief or loss without feeling so alone in it? Because you do, you feel alone.

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You you can feel alone. I I've experienced that and I've watched my clients walk with that as well uh as a pastoral counselor. And again, I think that's part of having that that go-to group where you can just take your baggage because grief is one of those things like a snowball coming down from the highest mountain, and it collects

Prayer Partners And Asking For Help

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everything along the way with the grief. There, if you're a caregiver, usually you start the grief process the moment they get that diagnosis, and then it goes through, and it picks up the guilt because I'm not being a good enough caregiver, or I'm neglecting my family and my other duties because this a person, so gr uh, guilt, shame, any emotion you want to throw in their anger, anger maybe a god, uh at themselves for not having other answers, the doctors, it just collects all of that. And it just feels sometimes like I think it's gonna just overwhelm you and just roll right over you and squish you. And then you still have to peel yourself up and attempt to move on. But if you've got folks in your corner that can help and be there just to support you and say, Hey, Lisa, I know you're struggling. Can I bring you a meal? Can can I can I stop and get your favorite coffee or tea? You know, it's just little things, it doesn't have to be anything major. It may even be, you know, can I come sit with your person for a few minutes while you just go take a break in another room?

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Yeah, sometimes it's true, those those little things that sometimes as caregivers you don't always want to ask for. And if somebody can volunteer and say, hey, I'm gonna go do this, that means the world, you know. For what do you say to somebody who's angry at God? Like if they're listening and they're like, I I'm just I don't want to talk about God, what would you say to them?

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Please tell him you're angry at him. He already knows, but he wants to hear from you. It would be like, again, your best friend. If your best friend, you're mad at them, they want to know, and they want to know why. And they want you to pour out your heart to them, and God wants you to pour out your heart to him. He didn't plan the situation per se, he may have allowed it, but he he didn't purposely go out to hurt you or your person that that you may be caregiving for, and it's okay to be angry. I would I've been angry at him several times. I laid on the living room floor when uh my first husband passed away, and the next day the ants got in the the air conditioner and shorted it out. Oh, and the next day the well broke, and it was just like I laid on the floor in tears, and and I'm in Savannah at the time in the summer. Oh, it is not no, you needed air conditioning, needed air conditioning and and running water, yeah, and I laid on the floor and I said, Lord, I've heard people say that you only give us so much, but I know that verse is not in the Bible, but I don't know where that came from, but I know you're you're either testing me or the enemy's testing me, but it's because I'm I I think I'm pretty close to more than I can handle. And I just cried out my heart and said, Help, protect me, send me folks to help, whatever. And the next day the guy showed up to fix the well. And unfortunately he said, Ma'am, I'm sorry, it's gonna be two weeks. And again, the Lord's like, tell him what's going on. And so I said, Look, my husband died two days ago.

Grief Snowballs And Anger At God

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I don't have any air and I don't have any water. I've got a hose from my neighbor's house and a cord for a fan. And he said, Holy moly, give me a minute. And he went and called and called every place within a couple hour radius to find the parts, called in people and was able to get it fixed. Called his wife, she brought over a hot meal and just hugged me when she came to the door. And again, it when you're going through something, you don't necessarily want to ouch yourself and you know tell all your business. But it was one of those things it was like, okay, Lord, I'm I'm gonna trust you. You're telling me to tell, so I'm gonna tell. And that was a really challenging time because I was very angry with every weird little aspect of what was going on. But I was honest, I told him, and he brought some some answers and some some solutions to the situations I was dealing with. So please don't don't make that wall permanent between you and him. If things are rocky, please step back together, fix it, apologize, just like you would your best friend.

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Uh my grandma always used to say that God doesn't give me anything that I can't handle, you know, so therefore I can handle it. But I agree with you, like some days I'm like, okay, God, I've had enough. Why can't you give this to someone else right now? You know, or she always used to like to say, uh, what doesn't um what doesn't kill you make you stronger? And it's like, okay, enough. You know, I'm strong enough. I'm strong enough. Can you like you know, spread the wealth type of a thing? Because it does feel that way. And I I'm I I always joke that I in an emergency, I I'm fine. Like I handle the big stuff. I don't like collapse during that. But my TV breaks or something, and I like just start crying. Like it's the little things that that's where it's it's too much. And it does feel that way, doesn't it? Or like one happens and then another happens, and you just like, I can't take it anymore with it. Um so how do you begin to notice God's presence in the ordinary everyday moments? Because when you have all this going on, you you do get lost in those little moments.

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You will notice things like if you have a pet, they'll come over and nudge you and they'll just want to give you comfort. Maybe you'll find something you've been looking for for a while, uh, a butterfly land outside or a bird on the ledge. Maybe you're I live in the country, so if I'm walking to get my mail, I may see butterflies or birds or flowers or clouds. And I stop and just take a moment and say, Thank you, Lord. Thank you for bringing me outside to see the beautiful sunrise or sunset or all these pretty flowers, and just take a sec. Uh and I even go way back. So if I'm looking at we got rain the other day, a bunch of rain. We're kind of in a drought. I was like, thank you, Lord, for the rain for our crops, because the farmers need the rain. And thank you for the farmers who you've trained to do that. Thank you for the tractors and people who work on them. Thank you for people who created them. Thank you for truckers that hauled that food to our grocery stores. And just start spending time thanking him for all the things I do see. And it's amazing. It doesn't take much gratitude, but just a little sometimes is is enough to get that struggle bus in first gear.

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You know, they I I have read about that, and when I am able to do that, some days I'm better at than others, but I do notice that when you take those moments and a little thing, you know, like I saw a cute dog today, thank you for that, or that it does slowly you do change your, I don't want to say your attitude, but like the way you see things uh for it. But it can be hard at times when you feel like it it's that fine line of that kind of that victim mentality, and then you know, knowing you can get through it, because you do feel very um very overwhelmed on some days with it, or you just feel very alone and sad too, or angry. All or sometimes you feel it all within like five minutes of each other uh with it. So what does it really mean then to try to slow down when everybody and everything around you is just pushing for more? Like you can't, you feel like you're drowning. How do you how do you find that that slowness?

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Well, I try and remember number one, the culture kind of created that fast pace, right? Um, we've got uh TikTok, you know, 30 seconds, we've got most TV shows, they come on, they state the problem, they fix the problem, even with the commercials, it's over in 30 minutes. We can't wait two and a half minutes for microwave popcorn. How in the world can we, you know, where's our quick fix or our magic pill? And unfortunately, most of the situations we're dealing with didn't happen overnight, and they're not gonna be resolved overnight. So when you you step back and and just take a deep breath, you know, if the TV doesn't turn on, mine didn't turn on yesterday, and I thought, what the heck? Yeah, and uh it was unplugged. So I thought, okay, guess the cat was active. So take a step back,

Noticing God In Ordinary Moments

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take a breath. And I could have, you know, blown off the handle. Why is it not working? But I was like, okay, Lord, there's gotta be a reason. And I looked, and sure enough, it was unplugged. But just taking a chance and pausing to see what's going on around you, you know. Oftentimes other people have done things or said things or have triggered you, but if you can take a second and realize they're not maybe they're not necessarily talking to you, they may be in generalizing or talking about someone else. But when we're already so tight with all those emotions, it can feel like everything's about us. But take a deep breath and and think that through. Did they really were they really saying that to me? Were they really being mead? Is this situation, you know, is it gonna be solved quickly, or do I need to take a couple more breaths?

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Yeah, it it is hard to, you know, to do that when you're in the middle of all of it. But I I do sometimes find myself being like, okay, just breathe. Just take a second, just breathe, you know, it'll just to slow that down uh with it. What would you say? What do you do? Like when a lot of times I think you feel people feel like they're stuck between where they've been and then what's next, you know, either through caregiving or through grief, because you're like this is what your life has been. Well, well, now what? How do they how do they move through that?

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Well, first they need to recognize that the grief is not just death, grief is any change. So if they were caregiving for someone and they had a routine, if that routine stops because that individual passes, now they have the loss of the person plus the loss of their routine. And so, in if that person was a a breadwinner, then maybe loss of income. And so you've got other things going on. So acknowledge what's going on in your life, you know, if your routine changes. In most cases, it's it takes a bit of time to to regroup and figure out what you're gonna do, but you don't have to make decisions overnight, you can do it in little baby steps, and just recognize what what all you're dealing with at the time, because it you very rarely today in today's culture do you have just one loss going on. You usually have a several, and when you've got several, it can be compound or complex grief, and you just you need to to figure out where all the components are coming from so you can address them and then attempt to find a solution through there. But if you try bulldozing right through, you're gonna end up loading up that truck and having all that stuff with you.

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And I think a lot of people like to bulldoze through it because they don't wanna they don't wanna feel in those uncomfortable feelings because cause they're not pleasant to feel. But I have found that when I try to feel what I'm feeling in that moment, no matter what it is, it kind of helps later on, you know. You know, because I don't know, like bulldozing through it doesn't always really work.

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Well, the bulldozing tends to be like the the quick fix, right? I'm just gonna bulldoze right through it and I'm done. But God made us to be emotional, he gave us emotions and feelings, and we really do need to feel those. We need to acknowledge them, what we're feeling, how it, you know, the impact it's having on us. And is it something we need to continue to deal with? And just because your person's been gone, I somebody the other day's person had been gone for a year and they said, Well, I guess I'm supposed to be over it. And I said, You know, there is no timeline on grief. It it comes and goes. If you need to feel it for two, three, four years, it's okay. You know, just because the world has this idea that it's it's time does not mean that it's time for you. It should be individually figured out.

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That's very true. You know, yeah, everyone's like, oh, it's that first year, and then yeah, you think, okay, and it and it's not, you know, um it was my third Mother's Day without my mom, and it it was still hard, you know, because it's like even though she wasn't a big Mother's Day person, you know, um it still was hard because the world makes it all about that. So you you you feel it even more uh, you know, before that. Those different those different milestones and stuff, they never they never go away with it's how you're

Slowing Down In A Fast Culture

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feeling. How do you hold on to hope when nothing around you seems to be changing?

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No, that God's there and he's got a plan and I need to be open to it. Uh my year, my word for the year this year was open, and it was to be open to him, open to his plans, meaning if he says something, I don't go, uh yeah, right. But I'm like, I mean, I still say, really? You want me to do what? Okay, so I I don't hesitate as much, so I'm more open, but be open to what he's doing and where he's leading you. If that particular season has closed, then he may have other plans for you. And it may not be sitting on the sofa in a dark house by yourself. It may be getting out there and meeting other people who have have dealt with what you went through. I know when I went through cancer, I actually can now look back at it and say it was a blessing. I got to meet amazing people, I had so many people, especially in medical facilities, pray over me. And had I not had cancer, I would never have met some dear friends I have now. So even in the worst thing you could possibly go through, there's a glimmer of hope. If you know um Psalm 23, even though I walk through the valley of the shadow, well, if you're in a shadow, you can't have a shadow without light. So if there's light, there's God, and that's what I hold on to for hope.

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It is sometimes what do you say to somebody who's like, I I get that, I hear what you're saying, but I just I can't see the light right now. It just all seems so dark.

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Assume that the light is there, okay, and it will find you and find a a buddy. And and I say that because I hopefully people have a support system. I know that there are people who are not. And if you don't have a support system, please go to my website and send me a message so that I can pray for you and check on you. I don't want anybody to have to suffer and not have people. It's tough enough when you've got people, and when you don't have people, it's even harder. But you know, I would ask that person, what's going on that you don't have hope? What what are you what do you are you not seeing that's right in front of you? Because you're you're focused maybe on something else. Um sometimes other things get in the way of what we should be, you know. Did you you you have a good cup of coffee? There's hope that there's gonna be another cup of coffee tomorrow or two or three, depending on the struggle bus, right?

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Yeah, depending on the day, yeah.

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Exactly. So uh you you just have to have hope.

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And you mentioned your website, so let's talk about that a little bit. So um your website is um I have it written down. Bakingpastor.com, correct? Correct. So if people go to your website, what kinds of things will they see?

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They will see some recipes in our blog. They will see some uh on Sundays. I do soul care Sunday per uh their little post to kind of make you think. I have uh blogs up there. I have oh my gosh, oh, on the homepage is a special edition soul pause journal. And soul pauses are what I have in my book and in my published journal. And people started asking for samples. So when I came on to start guesting, I created it and it's a PDF and you can download it. It's right there on the front page.

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Okay.

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Um there's there's prayers in it for different seasons that you may be going through. And oftentimes people say, Well, I want to pray, but I don't know what to pray. So I gave sample prayers, sample scripture that you could go to and check out for maybe noticing or if you're different thoughts you may be feeling. So definitely go check that out and maybe stay and listen to my podcast.

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Well, of course. Of course, they should listen to your podcast as well. And it's the baking pastor, correct?

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The podcast is at the counter with the baking pastor. At the counter with the baking pastor.

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So where can they get purchase your books as well? At the counter is the name of the book, the soul pause, the soul pause journal, correct?

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That is one of them. And the original book was at the counter spiritual

Grief Is Change And Has No Timer

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recipes for faith and everyday life. Both of those are on Amazon and the links are on my website.

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Okay. Um, I see them right here. So, and then you also offer some other oh, I see you have different um guides if people want to do it as a group as well, too.

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I have several churches right now on the uh East Coast who are doing this as a small group or a Bible study for their Sunday school class. And what's cool about the main book, the At-the-counter book, is there's recipes in there. So as a pastor, sometimes I need to break because someone had a baby or had surgery. And so pot pies is one of my favorites. So I have the traditional from scratch and then I have the shortcut because sometimes you find out that they had surgery the day of or the day before, and you don't have time to do a full-blown bake. But yeah, there's cookies and soup and all kinds of comfort food. So what's been cool is the the groups on the East Coast are actually making some of the recipes to bring and share so that they feel like they're having community time together as they work through the the weekly devotions.

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Oh, that's nice. And you know what? There is something about having comfort food. I believe that you just feel uh I I know I pulled up my mom's uh, she had like a makeshift recipe book that she put together and stuff, and that for a while there I was like making all of her recipes that she would she used to make because it just made me feel better. And and she was the one that taught me how to cook and bake. So I was like, it I felt close to her, you know. There's something about it. You're like, you just need to feel that um and have the comfort food with that. Definitely, definitely. So um that's another way people can try to, if they check out your website in your book, they can maybe find a little hope or take those few pauses to be able to maybe feel a little bit more connected uh with that.

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Um, like an example of one. I I just opened the book. Um, one of them says, What blessings have you carried with you through a hard season? Or who might be need a quick word of blessing from you this week? Sometimes the blessing is not necessarily for you. It's maybe God puts somebody on your heart and you text them a message. And I've done that before and just said, I don't know why, but God had me message you. And then I get back, you know, like 20 emojis that are crying. I've been waiting for to see if he was hearing me. Thank you. And so you know you were a blessing to them, and that blesses you.

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That's true. Yeah, sometimes, or like sometimes I'll find like little memes or different pictures or different things, and I'll sign and I'll be like, I was just thinking about you. This reminded me of you. And then like you could tell that that person um that cheered him up. My one friend, uh, she lost her her mom and her sister, I think almost 10 years ago now. And her mom used to love love giraffes. And so she told me one time that uh it seemed like every time I sent her a picture of a giraffe, it seemed to be a time that she was having really missing

Hope When Everything Feels Dark

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her mom and thinking about her mom, and then the giraffe would pop up, you know, like and I didn't know that. I wasn't, I was just like, oh, this made me think of you. So, like, that's true. You never know when you send a little something that that helps a person through the day with that.

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A little bit of love, and and it could be a meme, it can be a funny joke, it can be anything. You know, I I love those crazy dad jokes that you're just like head smack, you know. Um, and I've got one friend who I can send them to, and and I get back, oh my goodness, every time, or or something equivalent. Right. It doesn't take much, right? If if you know, because we don't know that they're not looking for hope today. We don't know what other people's situations are fully. So share, share the love and the joy as you can.

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And sometimes some days it is hard, but it's nice when somebody thinks of you like that and they sign you something and and to be able to say, Wow, I needed that today. You know, or like sometimes people say that, you know, if you just smile or say good morning or hello, sometimes that's what that person needed for the day.

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27:33

But that they I think a lot of people need to be need to feel seen and heard. And oftentimes if they're going through something like grief or or some type of loss, they don't feel seen. They feel they're in the background and the loss ends up forefront. And so to to see them, to mention them, to talk to them, and then let them share for a minute allows them to be seen and heard and feel more human again.

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28:00

I would agree with that, uh, definitely. Because people always like, you know, if you need anything, tell me if you need something or call me if you need anything. And and as the person who's going through all that, you're thinking, I don't know, I'm lucky I know my name today, let alone what I need. But those times when somebody showed up with a meal or or just sent you something silly, it made you laugh, you know, like you really appreciated that, you know, because because you do feel helpless on the other side because you don't always know what to do for that person, you know.

SPEAKER_03
28:34

So as a rule, I don't typically send sympathy cards. I wait a week or so because everybody knows everybody in their whole family is all together until the day of.

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28:43

Right.

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But then after the funeral, you go back to your home and you're usually alone. Yes. Everybody else goes back to work or wherever they're currently living, and it becomes very, very lonely. So I wait about a week and then I send a card or I'll take over a meal or I'll invite them to come out. Let's let's go have coffee. I'll pick you up. And they're gonna say, Oh, I don't think I'm ready to go out yet. Okay, well, can I bring coffee to you? Oh, yeah, that sounds good. So I I like to be there to support them because I know they've got a journey ahead of them. They've got their family to the point of the service, and then after that is when it seems like everybody just oh, they're gone.

SPEAKER_00
29:25

That that that is true, that's really true. It's like that

Resources Recipes And Closing Reminders

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that's like when it really starts. I mean, because all that busy stuff is done uh in that distraction, and now you're like boom, okay, now what do I do? How do I do this? You know, and it is those little things.

SPEAKER_03
29:44

And we can only have so many casseroles given to us, right?

SPEAKER_00
29:47

Exactly, exactly. You can only eat so many, you know. So your freezer is full. Exactly. And sometimes you need that person to be like, Yeah, let's go out, let's go for coffee, or go for a drink, or let's just, you know, I'll come over, we'll watch something silly together, you know. Um sometimes those are what you need for it for that. Um so your website again is baking pastor. Bakingpast.com for that. And people can get your book at the counter on Amazon and at the counter the Saul Soul Pause journal as well on Amazon too for that. Um and they can also check out your podcast too. We'll make sure we put a link to this with ours as well.

SPEAKER_03
30:33

You can. The episodes come out every Wednesday morning, so there'll be a new one tomorrow.

SPEAKER_00
30:38

Okay, for that. Well, thank you so much for joining us on Patty's Place today.

SPEAKER_03
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Thank you so much for having me.

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So I hope everybody enjoyed our discussion and know that find those little things. God's always there. So I hope you enjoyed your cup of coffee, your cup of tea, or if that was a really bad day, your glass of wine, and know that you are not alone. Please leave us a review, follow us on, subscribe to us on YouTube, and hopefully you'll join us for another edition of Patty's Place.