5 Signs You’re Training Too Hard (And Killing Your Progress)

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>> I’m happy for you. I think it’s super cool that you have
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>> your own your own spot, which
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>> Thank you. Thank you.
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>> We’ll talk about more at the end, but Yeah. Yeah. How do you feel about it? Do
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you feel good?
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>> I feel Man, it feels just to be in control of your own space, to have your
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own energy there. No one else’s energy or issues being associated with you and
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your students and your your business is the best feeling. Yeah. Like
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>> I can’t believe how happy I am just to spend time there. You know, after class,
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my students hang out. you know, it’s tough to get people to leave. Like, it’s
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just a such a good positive spot to be at. And yeah, it’s different when
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you’re, you know, renting other people’s spot. It’s It’s different. It is
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different.
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>> Depends on who you’re renting from. I guess
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>> that’s makes a big difference.
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>> Yes. But it sounds like you got a good spot over there and
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>> it looks cool.
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>> Yeah, it does. We made it look cool.
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>> Is it all red?
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>> It’s all red. The walls are all red. Um, we’re hoping local blood members uh
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gravitate towards us. We
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>> Yes. All the Neighborville Blood. the Neighborville Blood chapter. Uh we
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apologize to the Neighborville [ __ ] chapter who might
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>> find issue with the color choice, but we we are uh not affiliated with any
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officially. Yes. There we go. Thank you for bringing that. Yes.
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>> Only red. Uh it’s all red, right? That the walls are all red and you have like
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>> the walls are red, the mats are black, so there’s some cool contrast there.
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Yeah. I can’t wait.
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>> You did that? Yeah. I’m going to go for it, man.
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>> You did that all with your students, you said?
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>> Me and my students, man. I have one student named Michael who, man, he took
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the lead on everything. He works. He’s like a handyman. He has a small business
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and
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>> he was like without him it would just be a mess. He really took the reign.
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>> It seems like he got it done super fast. Like I was looking Well, I was talking
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to you and then like the next week it was already all painted. I saw on
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Instagram. I was like whoa that was quick.
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>> Every day after training at our old location, him and I would go there and
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just paint for like 3 4 hours. On the weekends
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>> sometimes he would be there for like 10 12 hours. Like he’s the man. Like he did
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so
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>> much. Um, and he didn’t ask for anything. I had to offer, you know,
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stuff to
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>> reimburse him because he’s that good of a person. Like, he just wanted to help
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us build our academy. My students came and volunteered,
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>> you know, they I would buy them food and stuff and it still wasn’t even close to
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enough for how much.
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>> What’ you buy them? What kind of food?
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>> Every day I ordered, man, especially me and Michael, we were Uber eating like
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like pros. Every every night we’d get something different. And for me, I don’t
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usually eat out that much. I try to eat healthy. So, this was a nice excuse for
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me to pick out a little bit. Um,
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>> but yeah, man. My students wanted to come. They were painting. They were
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installing flooring. They changed the lights. Like they You saw what it looked
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like. It looked like a like a classroom maybe something. Yeah. Now it looks like
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>> like a real real gym. I don’t know how else to say it, but it looks like it’s
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professional. It looks clean. It looks like like your sanctuary.
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>> Yes. That’s what we wanted. We wanted it to be unique and represent us. We didn’t
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want it to be like cookie cutter and look like every other place. Like you
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never walk in someplace and like the walls are red and there’s cool like
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>> Yeah.
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>> I don’t know. You don’t see that that often. Um you see it more in the city in
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like cool neighborhoods, right? Where you have more unique businesses. Yes. In
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quotes.
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>> Cool. Chicago neighborhoods. Yeah.
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>> But in Neighborville, not so much, right? Usually they’re following some
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sort of formula or, you know, so we wanted to be a little bit different
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because we’re a different business. You know, we don’t want to look like LA
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Fitness, right? Yeah. We No, knock on LA Fitness to anyone here.
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LA
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>> anyone listening? Yeah. Old LA Fitness crowd watching today.
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>> Are they even still around?
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>> I think so. Yeah, I think so.
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>> I feel like they got bought out by something. I don’t know.
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>> You might be right. I think one of my students works out at LA Fitness. That’s
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the only reason I think there’s one in existence. Yeah, I think there’s one in
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Neapville.
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>> Neighborville. Yeah, we just keep calling out stuff in Neighborville. We
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love Neighborville.
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>> Yes, we do. Absolutely.
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>> Anyways, welcome back to the podcast. I’m Dr. Jerry. Coach Rammy is here and
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the theme for today that I wanted to talk about was mainly
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like overtraining, training too much, which I think is notorious for people
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who train combat sports, right? So, I want to ask you like up front, was
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there ever a time in your training where you just kept training too much and you
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knew you were, but you still kept doing it? You know what I mean?
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>> Yeah.
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>> Just couldn’t stop yourself, you know?
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>> Yeah. Great question. in uh let’s see, was it my
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in my second or uh the training leading up to my second or third pro fight, I
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remember I had a strength and conditioning coach who was just so
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overzealous, man. I remember the week of the fight, we were doing some super
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intense workouts to the point that I remember when I competed, I competed on
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a Saturday. I remember I was very sore when I competed, which is the worst
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thing. You want to be fresh, you want to be eager to
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>> go out there and perform. But I remember being like my calves were sore. You know
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when you’re so sore when you just walk up the stairs? And that’s how I felt
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going into a pro fight. And it’s because this guy had us doing incline sprints,
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you know, a few days all this.
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>> Yeah. What kind of stuff was he having you do? Now I’m curious like give me
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some specifics.
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>> So this was at the beginning where strength and conditioning became more
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prevalent in MMA. So we were doing, you know, all the
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>> at the time trendy exercises, flipping tires, battle ropes, sprinting on an
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incline treadmill. Yep. All of that cable, you know, punching with the
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cable, all the cool looking stuff that was trendy that you’d see in the behind
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the scenes UFC videos.
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>> Um, this guy, I believe, came from a CrossFit background.
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>> Take uh from that what you will. Um, and I think
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>> nothing. We take nothing from
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>> nothing. We have no issues with anyone. Yes. Um, and I think he was in a he was
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a in a weird spot because he didn’t train in combat sports. And I think he
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felt like he had to prove that his side of things was just as tough and intense
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as the combat side of things. So, it’s like, “Oh, you guys think you’re tough?”
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Which, no, I don’t. I never said that. Um, we’ll try this workout and let’s see
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how tough you are. That was kind of Now, looking back, I think that’s what it
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was.
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>> So, again, we’ve talked about people’s insecurities in the past. I think he’s
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projecting his insecurity. For some reason, he’s insecure that he is not a
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combat sports athlete and he wants to show combat sports athletes, listen, I
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am the end all be all. I am very tough. In fact, look at this brutal workout I’m
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going to put you through. Leading up to the fight, the workouts did not taper
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down so that we’d be fresh for the fight. It was still like, let’s go,
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let’s go. You can do never give up, never this, and
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>> I’m fighting for John Cena. Yeah,
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>> never give up.
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>> It’s horrible, man. It’s horrible. And it affected my performance. Thank
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goodness I was still able to uh find a way to win, but it was despite his
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methods, not because of them.
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>> So, you still won the fight?
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>> I still won. And to his credit, aesthetically, like I was very lean. I
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looked like I was in great shape, but
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>> I was still like tired after the first round. You know, it’s it wasn’t very
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functional. I looked like I was in much better shape than I was. Now, looking
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back, the training should have been more functional. I didn’t need to destroy my
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body during strength and conditioning. I was doing enough of that in sparring.
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right now. I needed strength and conditioning that would strengthen my
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body, increase my mobility, my flexibility, my agility, my reflexes.
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Yeah. Yeah. But instead, it was just the hammer. Everything just beating us down,
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>> beating yourself to the ground.
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>> Didn’t know any better, man.
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>> Yeah. And I think a lot of people equate a good workout. So, I’m just speaking
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more like generalities here, like Ramy’s going to talk about obviously more fight
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sports, combat training stuff. Um, I think a lot of people just with exercise
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in general, they feel like they have to be super sweaty after a workout. They
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have to be super sore after a workout. Like all that constitutes a great
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workout.
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>> When in reality, like, you know, if you think about it, just sweating is just a
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cooling mechanism. It’s just your body trying to cool off. Like a sauna, right?
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You’re in a sauna,
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>> you’re sweating like crazy. It’s not making you any stronger, more agile,
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more powerful, more, you know, explosive.
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>> Yeah.
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>> Um, so think about sweating that way. it’s not a a good indicator of a good
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workout. Uh same thing with soreness. Soreness is more so like a your body
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responding to novelty, something new, a new movement, right? That’s when people
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get more sore.
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>> When in reality, if you get more fit, you get less sore. Your body becomes
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more efficient and at repairing itself,
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>> right?
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>> So, I think a lot of times people want to be like, “Well, it wasn’t a good
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workout because I wasn’t like sweating like crazy at the end or I wasn’t super
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sore the next day.” When in reality, if you’re more fit, you’re going to be
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doing less of those things in a way. Also, if you’re always chasing soreness,
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you’re never really chasing mastery in certain movements. You keep changing
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your program. You know what I mean?
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>> Yes.
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>> And you’re never actually mastering like when you’re throwing jabs or something
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like first learning boxing, you throw a zillion jabs. You don’t go to something
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else right away.
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>> You have to master those things first,
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>> right?
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>> Um,
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>> so I think those two things are very important to talk about when talking
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about was it a good workout? You know what I mean? Like, did I sweat a lot?
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Was I super sore? Don’t worry about that so much. And we’ll kind of get into that
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a little bit more as we go. But, um,
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>> where do you think this came from, by the way, in your opinion? This
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mentality,
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>> dude. Yeah. I was going to ask you a similar question cuz I think
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>> they go hand in hand, right? I was going to ask you like, why is that a thing in
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fight training? Like, why do you have to be so like hardcore all the time? Same
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thing with just working out in general. Like,
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>> why do we have to be so hardcore? Like, I was going to ask you, you think it’s a
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ego thing? Yeah.
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>> And you could give me the same question. I think it is a lot of the times, you
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know what I mean? Like, so what do you think it is? And then I’ll kind of give
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you my response, too.
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>> I think as related to combat sports, I think it is a ego thing. Often times,
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I’m surprised. So, for example, at PSC, none of the coaches will be tell the
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class, hey, you guys are going to be real sore tomorrow. Get ready. It’s
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oftentimes the members who will before taking their first class be like, “Yeah,
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you know me, if I’m not sore and, you know, dead after, I don’t feel like I
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got a good work.” Like, that’s what they’re telling us they want. And I’m
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thinking like, I don’t know. That’s not really my objective is to beat you down
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your first class. It’s not my objective at all. In fact, my goal is to build
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you, not to destroy you. Right? But they have this mentality and sometimes
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they’re disappointed. They will tell us, you know, let’s say a technical class,
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they learn techniques, they sparred. Yes. Of, you know, they’re moving, their
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body gets hot, they sweat, of course, but they’re like, “Oh, no, you know, I
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wanted more of they wanted more intensity.” In their mind, intensity
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means like damage to their body, soreness. I don’t
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>> Do you get that a lot with potential clients? get that with mostly I
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unfortunately comes from a lot of men who were athletes before and maybe they
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were trained incorrectly or had those types of coaches
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>> um and they bring that mentality into combat sports not understanding that my
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job is to teach you the techniques of combat sports. That’s my priority,
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>> right?
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>> Not to make you do like a bunch of push-ups and you can go anywhere for
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that. You’re coming hopefully paying us a premium for our expertise, right? You
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want to learn how to throw a knee, how to pivot, how to do arm lock. Anyone
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could tell you, “Hey, do 100 push-ups, run around your building 20 times.”
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Like, I don’t for me, I think that’s a waste of their time and mine to just
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break their body down.
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>> Right. Right.
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>> Yeah.
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>> Like,
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>> have you had that recently with somebody? Like
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>> I have. I have.
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>> What did you tell them? Like, what what’s your conversation look like with
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them when they say those things? I tell them that the doing combat sports is
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going to be challenging for your body, especially if you don’t have a
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background in it. You know, if you do jiu-jitsu and you’re trying to
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somebody’s on top of you, you’re trying to, you know, push them off you, for
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example. It’s going to be tiring. It’s going to be physically challenging, but
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I don’t train in that way that you might be expecting. So, I tell them, I don’t
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want to I want to manage their expectations. I don’t want to lie. I
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don’t want to delude them. Again, I’m not a salesperson. So, I tell them, I’m
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like, “Hey, some of the classes will be challenging. You will get fit by
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practicing martial arts and combat sports, but that is not my goal is for
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you after your first class for you to be on the mat like unable to move and I
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have to peel you up off and that means it was a good training session.
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Sometimes a good training session is, oh, now I know how to throw that jab
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from this position. Now I know how to set up this takedown. That to me is a
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good training session. So
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>> yeah, I try to tell this isn’t that we’re not a boot camp. We’re not like
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this is a combat sports gym where your objective and your goal should be to
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learn combat sports.
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>> Yeah. And let’s I mean again we’re trying to answer the question like where
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does that mentality even come from?
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>> Um yeah it’s I guess maybe just working out
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in general is associated with like being hard and being hardcore all the time. I
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mean, fighting is the, you know, the most hardcore thing you could do that I
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could think of when it comes to like
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>> animalistic instincts or physical um getting physical in some way,
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>> right?
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>> Um
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>> so maybe it’s from that.
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>> I know in wrestling it’s very prevalent. A lot of people come from a wrestling
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background.
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>> That’s where you’ll hear I hear wrestling coaches to this day saying
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overtraining is a myth. There is no such thing. And they’ll cite specific
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examples of people who, you know, perfor like someone like Dan Gable. When you
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read the stories of his training, it’s like he ripped his body to shreds, won a
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gold medal. So people think he won a gold medal because he ripped his body to
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shreds. It’s like he won a gold medal despite tearing his body to pieces,
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right?
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>> Yeah. The mental toughness of course is a huge uh asset in wrestling, but I
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don’t think you need to destroy your body to achieve that mental toughness.
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So, do you tell your students like to scale back a lot? You know what I
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mean? Like if they let’s say a group of them come up to you afterwards like,
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“Hey, that wasn’t a hard workout or something.” Like, do you just tell them
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like, “Hey, let’s Today’s objective was not to just kill you.”
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>> You know what I mean? Like, how do you tell them that?
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>> Yeah, that’s a it’s it’s tough. I luckily my my people my students who
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have been with me for a while, they know what to expect. They know that some
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class, for example, if you do a lot of sparring, you’re going to be pretty
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tired. Sparring is stressful. Therefore, it’s tiring, right? Your heart rate’s
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up, there’s you’re nervous, people are throwing strikes at you, it’s tiring.
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Um, but if you come to a uh technical kickboxing class or even an advanced
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kickboxing class, our goal is again not to tire you out. If that happens through
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the process of you learning the techniques and you enjoy the workout,
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wonderful. But that’s never our goal. I’ve never talked with
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>> our coaches and said, “Oh, today we’re really going to take it to them. We want
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everybody to feel like dead at the end.” We never say that. Mhm.
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>> So, I know some people are looking for that and I guess we’re not the right fit
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for them.
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>> Yes,
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>> that makes complete sense. I think this is I just thought of this right now, but
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like you know, working in physical therapy, people think
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>> physical therapy is just like me massaging them for an hour,
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>> right?
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>> When that could not be further from the truth.
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>> Uh physical therapy is called physical for a reason. You know what I mean? It’s
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exercise prescription for your specific pain or injury, right? You can’t get
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better just laying there doing nothing.
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>> Like I mean, equate it to anything. Like if you have back pain for example
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>> I mean if you do nothing will it go away maybe probably um are you fortifying the
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area your back getting it stronger building capacity so it won’t happen
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again no if you just sit there and do nothing happens there’s no adaptations
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in your body right so I think the flip side of that like in PT with me again
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people think it’s just like I’m going to massage their back it’s going to feel
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good that’s all we do when in reality real physical therapy is
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>> you know people start sweating. We do a lot of core exercises, a lot of hip
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mobility stuff, a lot of thoracic mobility stuff, whatever that person
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needs that I’ve assessed, whatever impairments that I find, you
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know, that’s how we um actually do the treatment plan and it’s a lot of
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exercise and they’re sweating. And then at the end they’re like, “Hey, Jerry,
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why was that? That was like a workout.” I was like, “Yeah, that’s real physical
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therapy,
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>> you know?” And if your physical therapist is not doing that with you,
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please leave cuz they suck.
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>> Um but yes, that’s real PT. Um,
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>> where do people have why do people have that misconception that physical therapy
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is somebody being massaged for like an hour for example? Where does it
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>> Oh, I I mean maybe because it was that in the beginning and research has
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shifted to active treatments. Active meaning the patient is actually moving.
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>> Yeah.
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>> You know what I mean? As opposed to passive treatments meaning the patient
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is just laying on the table and you crack their backs or you massage them or
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you
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>> dry needle them which are fine. And I mean there’s nothing wrong with those
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things if it makes them feel better.
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>> But if you spend the whole session doing that and the person is not moving and
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getting more functional and getting stronger, building capacity,
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>> they’re never going to learn the tools to stay painf free their whole life.
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>> I see.
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>> You know what I mean?
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>> Yes.
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>> And I don’t know why that’s still around. There’s plenty of PT clinics,
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other clinics that just have the person lay there and
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>> do a weird stretchy machine and, you know, do some other bull crap that does
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nothing. M
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>> um yet they still sell it as real physical therapy when it’s not.
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>> I see. I see. Would you say most people in your profession that’s how they
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approach the sessions is through this method that you feel is not?
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>> Yeah. I mean Yeah. Yeah. I mean I think it’s definitely shifted but I think it
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should still be more on the exercise prescription uh part of it. Got it.
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>> Depending on the person mostly I would say more people need more movement than
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laying on a table getting their hands put on them by somebody.
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>> Right. Makes sense. Um, and again like you know coming from corporate
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healthcare, corporate physical therapy, um, a lot of it is
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I’m going to start going on a rant here. I don’t want to.
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>> So I’m trying
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>> We’ll come back to that.
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>> We’ll come back to that at the end. Um, but I wanted to ask you more so about
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like
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>> um the ego stuff, you know, and fighting.
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Um,
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>> do you think that’s a big part of it? like just like guys wanting to be like,
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you know, macho guys and like I have to train it hard or else it wasn’t a good
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workout. Is that like a a root cause of this in a way? You know what I mean?
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>> I think so. I think um you know, every combat sports gym will say they’ll
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advertise and say, you know, we don’t allow egos in here. And of course,
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they’re all liars, right? You go the gyms that say we don’t have ego here are
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the ones where you’re going to find the most ego. Um,
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>> so yeah, it’s a big part of combat sports, unfortunately. And that’s
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something where I was so tired of it that when I started PSSE, I’m like, I
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don’t want to be repeating the same toxic nonsense that I’ve been a part of,
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you know, as a student, as an athlete, as a fighter for decades now. So, I was
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like, okay, in my own little world, we’re going to change this. And I
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noticed
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>> when we go to competitions, our our athletes, we’re very lucky. they do very
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well. But it’s funny cuz we don’t walk around with the same kind of weird like
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alpha male energy. And to me that’s exhausting. Um it’s super performative.
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It comes from as we’ve talked about in the past from extreme insecurity and it
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has nothing to do with a triangle choke or a butterfly sweep or a switch kick.
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your ego and your weird, you know, self-d delusion and
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>> your insecurities have nothing to do with performing techniques correctly and
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making good decisions, which is what leads to a a good fighter. So, yeah, ego
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is a huge pro a huge problem in combat sports and it leads to things like
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overtraining, training through injuries, uh students being led by their coaches,
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and usually, of course, it’s always the coach’s fault, right? Everything’s from
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the top down. You can the students might not know and say, “Hey, I want a good
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workout. I want to be sweating. I want to feel dead tomorrow. It’s the coach
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that should say, “Hey, that’s actually not the good thing that you think it is.
19:35
My job is to train you to be a skilled
19:37
>> uh combat sports athlete.” So, I think this is an issue from the the top down.
19:42
Like most issues, the the problem starts at the top. And
19:46
>> when we push this narrative, even when you see
19:50
>> and come and when you watch the behind the scenes stuff of like a UFC fighter,
19:52
you oh man, he’s the only seven days a week and this that’s nonsense, man. I
19:57
know these people. They’ve not trained seven days a week. They’re not trained
19:59
eight hours a day. They’re they’re overdoing it. They’re they’re
20:03
>> faking it because the story is very exciting. We’re influenced from
20:07
>> everything from Rocky movies to this where it’s like you always train
20:10
non-stop. It’s just not true, man. Your body can
20:14
only, as you know better than anyone, your body can only handle so much,
20:17
right? You have to be smart with that output. Y
20:20
>> when you overdo it, at a certain point, there’s definitely diminishing returns.
20:24
I’d rather somebody if you’re a skilled fighter, just my opinion, I’d rather you
20:29
be slightly undertrained than slightly overtrained going into a competition.
20:34
That’s just me in my I could be wrong. Some people will be. But if you have the
20:38
skill, you have the aerobic base, you have the experience,
20:41
>> I’d rather you just go in there and be efficient, use technique, be smart,
20:44
breathe, be tactical, than to be overtrained going there with a weakened,
20:49
depleted body,
20:50
>> sore,
20:51
>> sore, cutting too much weight. Like we see that that it doesn’t help. Um we see
20:56
fighters in the tail end of their career drop like another weight class down
21:00
thinking this is going to be it for and now they’re getting knocked out cuz
21:03
they’re dehydrated and their brain’s getting rattled.
21:07
>> So it doesn’t help anyone. It’s um it’s it’s it’s negative. It’s negative to
21:11
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>> I think the a very old saying, but I think it’s still a good one, is the
22:02
whole like stimulate, don’t annihilate
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>> uh saying.
22:05
>> I haven’t heard that. It’s new to me.
22:06
>> Um, it’s definitely again like exhaustion training, if you want to call
22:11
it that. You could apply it to any sport, you know what I mean? Not just
22:13
fighting. Um, I I work with people that, you know, Olympic weightlifterss, um,
22:20
people training for the high rocks. Everybody loves the high rocks nowadays.
22:23
>> Well, I hear about I don’t know what stuff is. I’ve heard I think I have a
22:26
student who has done it, too. Yeah. I don’t know what it is, though.
22:28
>> People getting injured left and right from the high rocks from pickle ball.
22:32
Um, but
22:33
>> high rocks is just like a competition, a bunch of different lifts and stuff and
22:36
like Yeah. Big fitness competition.
22:39
>> Got it. Got it. Um,
22:40
>> but like you know exhaustion training for those things like needing or having
22:45
to think you need to train super hard all the time.
22:47
>> You’re just annihilating yourself and you’re just digging a recovery hole that
22:51
you can’t get out of or you can but it takes a longer time than you think it
22:54
does,
22:55
>> right?
22:55
>> Um,
22:56
>> your body needs
22:58
>> to have stress put on it, right, in training. That’s what training and
23:01
exercise is. It’s stress, right?
23:03
>> But you need just enough to recover from efficiently and not too much to where,
23:07
like I said, you’re digging yourself into a hole. Yeah.
23:09
>> And then again, you feel like crap and then your training suffers and you’re
23:13
think, why is this happening to me? Well, cuz your training is not well
23:16
built. It’s not well progressed. It’s not planned out accordingly by a good
23:19
coach, a good trainer.
23:21
>> Um, so
23:23
>> yeah, I mean, I see it all the time still because I mean, the people I work
23:26
with now, they’re more so like higher level athletes. They’re active people.
23:29
They want to compete in a high rocks. They want to do a a weightlifting
23:32
competition. They want to do
23:34
>> jiu-jitsu competition. And you know, they have this
23:38
misconception of I need to be training hard all the time.
23:41
>> Yeah.
23:42
>> And it’s true in every sport, man. Most sports. Um, and again, it’s it’s it’s
23:49
hard to tell where that comes from in a way, but you know, part of my job is
23:54
telling them to, hey, like that’s not smart. And it’s part of your job, too,
23:57
like you said, right?
23:58
>> Um, and people don’t like to hear that sometimes, and they’re like, well, well,
24:02
why not? Like I need to be hardcore all the time. Then they get injured. to have
24:05
these weird aches and pains. I’m like, well, that’s why cuz you’re not
24:08
progressing accordingly.
24:10
>> Yes.
24:10
>> You need to have recovery days. You need to have appropriate rest days and like,
24:14
you know, D lo weeks, whatever you want to call them.
24:17
>> Um, and it still shocks me that people uh higher level athletes or people that
24:22
um are very fit don’t know this.
24:25
>> Yeah. And I have to kind of rewire their brain a lot when it is someone competing
24:29
in a high rocks or an avid marathon runner that I have who tweaked their
24:33
knee or a jiu-jitsu guy who has back pain forever because he can’t stop
24:39
training super hard.
24:40
>> Yes.
24:41
>> And is that like and again I talk to people like this all every every time
24:45
and it’s like it doesn’t click in them right away. They’re like what do you
24:48
mean? They’re like their brain blows up. Like do you see that too? like they it
24:52
can’t they can’t compute that for whatever reason
24:54
>> all the time, man. They think that this is just
24:58
>> your destiny as a combat sports athlete is to destroy your body. And that’s why
25:03
you see you don’t see a lot of 50, 60, 70 year olds doing jiu-jitsu. Yeah, they
25:08
you should you should be in theory you should be able to do jiu-jitsu at any
25:12
age, right? Or even boxing, kickboxing. You’ll see rare you’ll see outliers and
25:17
those are people who took care of their body, right? Um, I always tell people,
25:21
in my opinion, it’s not the age, it’s the mileage. Right? You could be 25 and
25:25
have a real, you know, two torn knees, a torn this, torn that, and you could be
25:29
done for. Or you could be 50 with no serious injuries or or physical trauma,
25:33
and you could keep training for another few decades.
25:36
>> Um, I know jiu-jitsu people who, you know, by the time they’re 45, they can’t
25:41
walk up the stairs, their fingers are all messed up, both knees are me, and
25:45
they think it’s normal. I’m like, this is not normal. The way you trained was
25:48
actually,
25:49
>> you know, people are going to make fun of me and say like I’m so The way they
25:52
trained was actually abusive. Literally, like you
25:55
>> were led, misled by irresponsible instructor. Usually they worship. So
26:00
it’s hard to tell them, hey,
26:02
>> your instructor might be a well-intentioned good guy. I’m not
26:05
saying they’re not, but he was wrong. The way you train was wrong, right? You
26:08
know, tearing your body up by the age of 30 or 35 is wrong. That means the
26:13
training was incorrect. means something was yes not
26:16
>> being performed uh or not being done correctly at your academy. Doesn’t mean
26:20
your coach is an evil person, but it means he didn’t know what he was doing
26:23
in terms of training people for longevity. My job isn’t to just let
26:27
people train during their prime so that they compete a few times when they’re
26:31
28.
26:31
>> I want people to train when they’re 50. I want people to train when they’re 60.
26:35
>> Yeah.
26:36
>> It’s depressing when you can’t perform the sport you love. I know people who
26:39
can’t do jiu-jitsu anymore. And you It’s depressing, man. they lose a part of
26:43
themselves.
26:44
>> So, it’s like why should we aim to destroy our body
26:47
>> by the earliest age possible to what? To have some war stories to prove
26:51
something.
26:52
>> You know, most of the time, even if you’re a jiu-jitsu world champion, most
26:55
of the time you’re paying to compete. You’re getting some plastic metal that
26:58
nobody cares about and you’re destroying your your health and your physical
27:02
wellbeing for this.
27:02
>> Isn’t it funny how like I mean that’s exercise, right? Exercise is for
27:06
longevity and feeling good, not beating yourself down. So, they’re kind of doing
27:10
the complete opposite. what they should be doing.
27:13
>> And again, like I told you, it’s hard to rewire somebody’s brain when they’ve
27:16
been,
27:17
>> you know, taught that or that thinking is embedded in them for for years.
27:21
>> And but the funny thing is when it does click in them
27:24
>> and you you know, I kind of get my point across to them, they’re like, “Oh,
27:28
>> I do feel better.”
27:29
>> Yeah.
27:30
>> Oh, you mean doing adding in some prehab work and mobility stuff and like scaling
27:34
back my training a little bit
27:35
>> and like getting better each week? Like, oh, that that actually works. I’m like,
27:39
“Yeah, magic, right? figure. Yeah.
27:41
>> Um, and the funny thing is like those guys that like you say like, you know,
27:44
that do jiu-jitsu and their, you know, their back is all messed up and their
27:49
shoulders all messed up, then they go to PT, they go to a crappy PT and they say,
27:54
“Oh, it doesn’t work.”
27:55
>> Well, because they saw a crappy physical therapist and they just massage them the
27:58
whole time or they did some weird stuff that does nothing.
28:00
>> Yeah.
28:01
>> They did some electrode stuff and red light therapy up there, you know, in
28:05
eyeballs or whatever.
28:06
>> Right. Right. um when they should be, you know, like I said, a lot of it is
28:10
lifestyle changes, you know, checking their programming, uh like I said,
28:14
lifestyle habits, um and active movement, moving and you know, getting
28:18
stronger for their respective sport.
28:21
>> Um but that’s a whole other topic. Again, we’ll come back to that as I keep
28:25
going on my PT rants here. I think a good a good mindset shift for people is
28:29
like
28:30
>> instead of like gauging how depleted you are after a workout, gauge how you
28:36
perform during the workout.
28:38
>> You know what I mean? Like don’t gauge the workout based on how
28:41
>> uh exhausted you feel afterwards. Base it how’s your performance during the
28:45
workout? Did you feel strong? Did you feel fit? Did you feel explosive,
28:49
>> agile? Was your footwork good? Whatever, right? as opposed to like um gauging it
28:54
off how depleted you feel after a workout. Um
28:58
>> and again, it’s it just it’s crazy how people don’t understand these things and
29:02
I have to
29:04
>> and again, you would think they’re they’re more wellversed in exercise. At
29:07
the same time, it’s it’s great. Like I love helping them and kind of doing my
29:10
best to rewire their brain, but um it takes a while, but once you kind of get
29:14
through to them, they’re like, “Oh, this does I do feel better now. My body is
29:18
not fighting me.”
29:19
>> Because it shouldn’t be. Like I said, like exercise supposed to make you feel
29:22
better, give you more energy, not make you feel run down all the time?
29:26
>> I agree, man.
29:27
>> So,
29:28
>> um, yeah. Was there ever a time when your training like you plateaued
29:32
>> and how did you get out of that training like feeling overtrained?
29:36
>> Yeah, I think, you know, for me it was I didn’t know at the time because I
29:41
trained at a very reputable, renowned uh academy for a long time.
29:45
>> Oh, you want to call them out? I’m just kidding.
29:48
>> They already hate me enough. So, I’ll
29:51
>> um
29:53
>> and I thought, you know, I joined this academy maybe when I was around 20 years
29:57
old. So there’s UFC fighters there and people I looked up to
30:01
>> and you know so I thought that because they had successful pros
30:06
>> um that they of course knew what they were doing and to some extent they did
30:09
in terms of teaching skill set they they did
30:12
>> but I remember as fighters would get closer and closer to 30 they’d be done
30:17
for and the coaches would even you know when I’d hear them talking about
30:20
fighters that and they didn’t know that anyone could hear like oh yeah that guy
30:23
he’s 28 he’s almost 30 like he’s going to be done
30:26
>> over the hill
30:26
>> and I’m like Wait a minute, that doesn’t make any sense. Um, and I realized it
30:30
was their training methods. The way that they trained, you are destined to be
30:34
done for by age 30. If you have 10 years of, you know, horrible training, um,
30:39
this was a gym where people would be knocked out regularly during sparring.
30:43
>> Um, it was no big deal. Like sparring was at 100%. You know, two, three times
30:48
a week at 100%. Leaving this environment is the best.
30:53
Whether it’s, you know, a fitness gym, a boot camp, whatever. Leaving this type
30:57
of environment is the number one way to extend your career and have longevity.
31:01
You have to leave
31:02
>> people who believe that this is the right way to train. Even if
31:06
>> yeah, they have a fighter who is this champion or this. Remember, these people
31:09
are doing well despite these training methods, not because of them. And it’s
31:13
hard when you’re in the thick of things to
31:14
>> Oh, yeah.
31:15
>> determine what’s what, right? Especially when you’re
31:18
>> young and you’re, you know, you don’t know. you think this is the way and I’m
31:21
just not tough enough.
31:22
>> And after a while you realize like I’m not gaining anything except a bunch of
31:26
lingering injuries and a bunch of
31:28
>> So you were feeling that.
31:29
>> I was feeling Yeah. Like you know man my el I can barely extend my arm. I can I’m
31:33
like in my you know early to mid20s and you know now I still have elbow pain in
31:38
both elbows from you know submissions being cranked like crazy in in jiu-jitsu
31:43
or MMA practice. And I remember the way people would spar there. It was
31:47
ridiculous. And I feel like it’s important to look at your training
31:51
environment objectively so you make you can make the best decision for yourself.
31:55
And unfortunately a lot of especially in combat sports, your training environment
31:59
becomes
32:00
>> almost like a second family, right? So you really feel like you’re a part of
32:04
this crew and it’s hard because you’re not only losing your academy, but you’re
32:08
losing a social circle.
32:10
>> And most gyms do operate unfortunately like cults where when you leave them
32:14
your persona nonrada, right? like, “Oh, you left like forever.” Yeah, it’s
32:18
>> it’s very weird, but this is very common, actually.
32:22
>> Still Oh, yeah. There are coaches now that I know of that will not allow their
32:26
students to train at other gyms. Allow. How do you tell a grown adult where they
32:30
can go and what they can do? Imagine having that control.
32:34
>> You can’t stop them, but they’re not allowed, right? So, you’re not going to
32:37
physically stop them, but you’ll be kicked out. It’s weird.
32:40
>> Yeah. I would have people visit PSC and they’d be like, “Hey, please don’t take
32:43
any pictures or any video.” Like if my coach sees this, you know, I’m going to
32:47
go
32:47
>> these are like grown men, you know, these are lawyers and engineers and
32:51
accountants, like people with careers and families, and they have to hide from
32:54
their jiu-jitsu coach.
32:56
>> It is very, this is way more prevalent. Uh people don’t talk about it. I don’t
33:00
know why
33:01
>> because I think most jiu-jitsu are like this to some extent. Most combat
33:05
sportsmies are like this to
33:06
>> around Neapville. Should we start
33:08
>> everywhere, man? Neapville and everywhere else. And if people are
33:12
watching and they train, they can at least think of if they have training and
33:15
they’ve trained at several gyms, I guarantee they can think of one gym
33:18
where they’re like, “Oh, yeah. This this definitely fits.” It’s
33:22
>> it’s common, man. Especially martial arts is weird cuz
33:25
>> it comes with that such a power imbalance from instructor and student,
33:29
right?
33:29
>> And that can create a really weird
33:32
>> place and a really weird environment for all types of abuse, right? So that’s why
33:37
it’s prevalent. And that’s why if you pay attention to combat sports, you see
33:40
more and more stories coming about instructors behaving inappropriately
33:44
with members, instructors grooming people, instructors abusing people,
33:48
harassing people. It is normal and um it shouldn’t be. It’s it’s horrible. But
33:54
this is the type of environment that combat sports and martial arts can
33:57
create.
33:58
>> Uh unfortunately, anytime there’s a severe power imbalance, you’re going to
34:01
find
34:01
>> like that weird power dynamic. Yeah.
34:03
>> Yeah. Unfortunately. So, like when you were training at that gym, like how did
34:07
you get out of all those aches and pains that you were having? You just kind of
34:11
stopped going there and you kind of just took a break from it or like what do you
34:14
think helped you the most get out of those many injuries?
34:17
>> I I didn’t. While I was there, I didn’t. I would what I would think is, okay,
34:22
when I’m in there and I’m warmed up, I’ll be okay. And yeah, it was true. I
34:25
was able to get through the sessions once I was warmed up and that injury I
34:29
can’t feel it and I have some adrenaline my body’s warm but then after I’m in the
34:32
car feeling like I got ran over by a truck all over again. So while I was
34:35
training there, I you know, some days I would skip sparring, for example, which
34:40
would which got earned me the ridicule of my coach, right? Who would say that I
34:45
was afraid of sparring or I didn’t want to? I mean, I I found out, you know,
34:50
through through uh reputable sources. And I’m think I’m like, I’ve been here
34:54
for years. I’m a pro fighter. I’ve spar I’ve got gotten knocked down from body
34:58
shots. I’ve gotten liver shots here. I can’t bre I think I’ve proven that I’m
35:02
tough. So, if I don’t want to get my brain rattled three times a week at 100%
35:06
power, mind you, by people who are sometimes 30, 40, 50 pounds bigger than
35:10
me. Yeah. Right. Isn’t that horrible on my end?
35:14
>> Um, so yeah, if you didn’t follow the protocol, you were seen as
35:18
>> somebody who didn’t buy into the program. And that is a threat to a
35:21
program that is running effectively as
35:24
>> a cult of sorts. It wasn’t a cult like we weren’t doing weird, you know,
35:28
ceremonies and stuff, but I think cultish behavior
35:32
>> it would be more interestingly I have better stories to tell. But
35:35
>> for me, cult behavior is when you just blindly follow whatever the leader is
35:39
saying. And in my case, it was show up to sparring no matter what. Show up to
35:42
training no matter what. Do this. The way we do things are right. Don’t train
35:46
anywhere else. Blah blah blah. To me, this is cultish behavior. It’s not a
35:50
normal academy behavior where I’m paying for a service and somebody’s supposed to
35:54
teach me something, right? Imagine you go to learn to play the violin and the
35:57
instructor’s like by the way if you ever go to any other violin teacher we will
36:00
find you and we will you know you’d be like okay yeah exact but at martial arts
36:05
that’s normal this this conversation will really happen as laughable as it is
36:09
right now with you and I but
36:11
>> I’m telling you man this is the norm and that’s why
36:14
>> just like you feel so strongly about your business and it being a response to
36:19
the normal ways of physical therapy I feel the same about PSSE this is a
36:23
>> PSC is here because it’s a response to the
36:27
horrible ways that people are being treated.
36:28
>> Same with art of PT like man like like you just said like
36:33
>> you know working with a client or a patient like it’s a collaboration. It’s
36:36
not like I say do this you do everything I say like if someone tells me something
36:41
>> I take you know inventory of it and we work together as a team. It’s not just
36:45
like
36:46
>> I’m the end all beall like uh you know those cultlike trainers you know what I
36:50
mean? It should be similar. Like if your student comes up to you like, “Hey, like
36:54
whatever.” They say something to you, you’re like, “Okay.” You listen to them
36:56
and you kind of adjust a little bit. You’re not like, “No, that’s the wrong
36:59
way of doing it.” That’s just weird. Like
37:02
>> it is strange, man.
37:03
>> I don’t get how. Yeah. But again, it’s a response. Like
37:06
>> your response to those bad cultish uh training uh gurus or whatever. My
37:11
response to bad PT is like
37:14
>> it’s a collaboration. It’s more um more active um on the patients part. But
37:20
again, it’s a it’s something that we both feel strongly about and yeah,
37:24
that’s why we’re here talking about all this and we’re gonna keep doing it. So,
37:27
>> absolutely.
37:28
>> Um,
37:28
>> so I think a few good things to remember about
37:32
>> knowing that you’re training too hard. Like a few signs that I came up with are
37:36
like
37:36
>> lingering soreness for more than 48 hours.
37:40
>> Okay.
37:40
>> Um, like after two days, it should stop to you should stop being so sore. If
37:44
you’re still sore for like a week, you’re probably training too hard. Uh
37:48
same with uh if your performance starts to drop week to week that means you’re
37:53
doing too much.
37:55
>> Also if motivation starts to drop also a sign you’re doing too much in your
37:59
training whatever training again for you combat sports high rocks training
38:03
crossfit Olympic weightlifting runners my runners are very are notorious for
38:08
running a lot and not stopping.
38:11
>> Like why do I have knee pain? I yeah you I keep running a zillion miles a day. I
38:14
don’t know what to do. Um, but I’m there to help you obviously. Um, you know,
38:19
small nagging aches and pains, like I said, that kind of stack up that you
38:22
you’re kind of ignoring throughout the week or week to week. Yeah.
38:25
>> Like, well, this isn’t going away. Well, you’re doing too much probably. That’s
38:28
why,
38:28
>> right?
38:29
>> Um,
38:30
>> also a big one I feel is or you know, I know is more so like, you
38:36
know, hopefully you warm up right before prior to training. Um, you’d be
38:40
surprised how many people don’t warm up still for anything, any sport, any
38:44
weightlifting activity. Um, runners, yeah,
38:47
>> runners don’t even they just start running.
38:49
>> That’s a good point.
38:50
>> Please warm up. And we’ll talk about that a different podcast, but like
38:53
>> if you’re doing your warmup and you already feel like crap,
38:57
>> you’re probably doing too much before all that. You know what I mean? Your
39:00
performance should be good during the warm-up to prep you for,
39:03
>> right,
39:04
>> uh, your sport.
39:04
>> Yes. Um, but if you’re doing your warm-up and you already just feel like
39:08
dump,
39:09
>> well, that’s a sign you probably been doing too much the past few weeks. So, I
39:12
think those five signs are a good way or a good barometer for people to kind of
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like um think about like, hey, am I doing too much?
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>> Yeah.
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>> So, um, great five things right there that I I came up with. Um but um
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again like I think a big thing is like that culture of exercise and fighting
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like we have to do more.
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>> Yeah.
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>> Um so what do you think the best way is to
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>> I guess rewire someone to not think that. What’s like a give me some
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examples of like I don’t know phrases you use to somebody or how you tell them
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to like not do that as much. Like say someone comes to you in one-on-one and
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you’re like you try to tell them like hey scale it back a bit. How do you how
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does that conversation look?
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>> Yeah that’s a great question. Um I remember for us as a hobby you you know
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GSP’s trainer amazing coach.
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>> He said something interesting years ago. He said if you work out let’s say you
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want to do pull-ups and your maximum is 10 pull-ups. He’s like, “When you do
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that max, you’re going to be sore for so long.” And basically what he was saying
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is somebody who does two or three pull-ups a day over the course of a year
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will do far more pull-ups than the guy who does his max and then takes a week
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to recover.
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>> So I always try to instill in my students that it’s consistency over
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intensity. A lot of people start and they come in and they’re
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>> gung-ho, super intense. Coach, I want to fight. You know, usually anyone who
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comes in saying they want to compete,
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>> first of all, never ends up competing, right? It’s usually the students who
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come in because they want a new hobby or they want to learn something. People
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have more like humble goals at the beginning actually turn out to be the
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most successful competitors. The people that come from day one, yeah, I want to
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be a fighter. It’s, you know, something I’ve always wanted. But
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>> I can’t even think of one example of somebody who came in saying they want to
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be a fighter who ended up competing. Wow.
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>> Yeah. Cuz the idea of fighting is way cooler than the reality, right? getting
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your hand raised. Yeah. Looks think of all the work that gets that goes behind
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that, right?
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>> Um,
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>> so yeah, I I try to always say consistency beats intensity. I’d rather
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you be consistent than intense. I’d rather you come two or three times a
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week for five years than to come seven days a week for three months and then
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fizzle out. Your body’s done. You you hate the sport. You’re not looking
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forward to it anymore.
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>> Um,
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>> and I like what you said that you should feel energized. Because you should feel
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good after a workout. You should you should be like buzzing almost after a
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good training session. You feel like, man, this feels great. I feel good. You
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should feel confident, right?
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>> You shouldn’t feel,
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>> you know, depleted and done for and exhaust. Like, man, how am I I can’t
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even drive home. I remember nights where I’d be sitting in the car, like too
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tired to even start my car and drive home. Like, that’s that’s not good.
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Something went wrong during that during that training session. So,
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>> yeah, I tried to change the way they view their workouts, their training
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sessions. Are you better today than you were one month ago? Are you getting
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better with every class? Are you improving? Would you of today defeat the
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U of three months ago or six months ago? And if the answer is yes, we’re on the
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right track. You know, if you want to compete, yeah, there will be challenging
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training sessions where you’re going to be fatigued and you’re going to be
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pushed because you need to in order to be a competitor.
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>> Um, but we’re not just going to
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>> break your body down every day because you have some weird idea of what a
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training session should look like. Yeah.
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>> You know, I’m they’re coming to us. We are the experts, right?
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>> We’re not going to I don’t really This sounds I don’t care much about like
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feedback or their opinion or blah blah blah. Like I know what I’m doing. You’re
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coming here. I’ve been doing martial arts for 34 years.
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>> I will I will organize this.
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>> Yeah. We want what’s best for them. You know, I’m not telling you this to like
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why would I tell you this to make your training worse. Exactly. It’s not my job
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to That’s just weird. Like why would I do that?
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>> I’m trying to help you as you are trying to help your students. Uh, I think a big
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a big kind of mindset shift too with people recently that I’ve had um is like
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they always tell me like, “Well, I felt good that day, so I did more.”
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>> Like my weightlifterss, my runners, they’re like, “Well, I felt great that
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even though it’s not in their plan that I’ve given them.”
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>> Yeah.
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>> They’re like, “Well, I felt great that day, so I maxed out on my squat or my
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overhead squat.”
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>> And then the next day, they’re like, “Well, I feel like crap again.” I’m
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like, “Well, that wasn’t in the plan. Just because you feel good doesn’t mean
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you should do more. Stick to the plan.
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>> Stick to being smart about your training.
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>> And again, just be just because you feel great doesn’t mean you should be doing a
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zillion more squats or a zillion more miles on the run, a zillion more
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pull-ups, like you said,
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>> a zillion more sparring sessions.
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>> Right. Right.
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>> Save that for later. Save that for your competition.
43:54
>> And again, that’s a big u mindset shift for people. And again, you can kind of
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see that in in their heads when I tell them that. They’re like, “Wait, that’s
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right.” but I don’t want to listen.
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>> You know what I mean? But eventually they get it. And again, we want what’s
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best for our clients. You know, we want them to succeed in fighting in getting
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painfree with physical therapy.
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>> Um so we’re not telling you this to like not make you be hardcore. You can still
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be hardcore, you know?
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>> Exactly. Exactly.
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>> Um hardcore and smart.
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>> Yes.
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>> Um
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>> but yeah, man. I mean, again, like you mentioned in the beginning, like overt
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training is very hard to get to. Um, so I agree in that way, but the people I
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work with, they’re such go-getters and um, they’re already like very good
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athletes. So, I have to kind of tell them to kind of chill a bit,
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>> add in some of this rehab stuff we’re doing, exercises, prehab stuff,
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>> and then we’ll come back to that stuff. And again, in the beginning, it’s tough.
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It’s a tough conversation,
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>> but again, in the end, it they’ll feel better in the long run, and their
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longevity will it’ll last.
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>> That’s so true.
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>> Their their bodies will last longer. um they’ll feel better, they’ll be more
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energized. Um and again, that’s what exercise and training, any type of
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training is for in reality is to to feel better, be more confident,
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>> body and mind, all that stuff. Um but yeah, man.
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>> No, you’re I like what you said. And I I also I want to clarify something I said
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earlier. I said like, oh, like you know, for me feedback isn’t important. I
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shouldn’t say feedback is important. What I should say is this that people
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come to you or come to me because they are looking for expertise. Imagine if
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people came in to you and you were like, “Hey, well, what do you think we should
45:33
do today?” They’d be like, “Where? Why did I come here?” Right? Some people
45:36
come to me and they’re like, “Hey, I want this.” And I’m like, it’s like,
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“Cool. I understand that. That’s but
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>> we have to we’re going to do things a certain way that I believe based on my
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experience is the best thing that I could provide for you.”
45:48
>> So, it’s not like, “Oh, I ignore feedback because I’m a you know, I know
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it all blah blah blah.” But when somebody comes in, it’s more likely that
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I have a little bit more experience than them and it’s my responsibility to use
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that experience to make sure they’re safe, that they progress, that they
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learn new things. So that’s why I remember sometimes I’ll have coaches
46:06
that are new. They really will consider feedback too much. Student will come in,
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hey coach, I want to do this today. And they’ll be like, okay, you got it. You
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know, they want to and it comes from a good place. They want to make them
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happy.
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>> And I’ll tell them like, listen, yeah, some people, hey coach, can we work a
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spinning back gentle balance? It’s okay. But hey, coach, today I want to be, you
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know, I want to do 20 rounds of sparring. No, you don’t say, “Yeah, you
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got it. Whatever you want.”
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>> You are the expert. You are there to lead them, right? They don’t know
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sometimes what they want. They think they want this, this, and that. They
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really don’t. They might say they want to spar 20 rounds. Have them spar 20
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rounds. They’re going to be going to the emergency room, right? So, you can’t
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just listen to what people want. You have to be
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>> confident enough to know that you have their best interest in mind, right? So,
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>> and we do have the best intentions for people. Absolutely. Um, and we get that
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a lot. I mean, I get that a lot. People, you know, they have this idea of, you
46:56
know, their their rehab. They know how to do this. They know how to rehab their
46:59
knee. Like, well, I saw on, you know, or chat GBT tell me this or like YouTube,
47:03
this YouTube guy told me this. I’m like, that’s great, but at the same time,
47:07
like, they didn’t actually assess you. And
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>> that’s my job is to assess you first and see if
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>> some of this stuff may or may not work.
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>> Yeah.
47:14
>> Um, at the same time, again, the full assessment is key here. That’s why it’s
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individualized. Like that’s how we are hands-on with our clients. You know what
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I mean? Is like
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>> just like you know well I have back pain chat GBT tell me what to do
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>> right
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>> and that’s when again people have this rigid thinking of like well this is my
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pain
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>> this is what I have to do
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>> and you again I take that into account here and there because they they know
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their pain they’ve had it for if it’s chronic pain they’ve had it for a long
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time
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>> so I can’t dismiss what they say. At the same time we have to input our expertise
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that we’ve been doing for for years now.
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>> Absolutely. Um, so, uh, but it’s fun, you know, I love helping people. Um,
47:54
it’s it’s definitely something that there’s an art to um, as you know, a
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common theme with my stuff is art of everything. Art of PT, art of wellness.
48:04
>> Um, but again, that’s what that’s what comes with being individual with people
48:09
or having an individualized plan for them like you do with your students. I
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do with their physical therapy plans. And again, I think people appreciate or
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I hope they appreciate that personal touch of us receiving their feedback and
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then giving our input and then in the end it’s a gentle balance of we’re
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working together to make them a better fighter
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>> or overcome their back pain.
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>> Yeah.
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>> Stuff like that.
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>> Um so I think you have a big announcement here. I’m going to put you
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on the spot right now.
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>> But um yeah, you got a new space, a new spot in Neighborville. Yes.
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>> That looks super cool.
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>> Yes. Thank you, man. And it’s the official spot for PSSE now, right?
48:46
>> Yes, we do. After uh 10 years of operating out of other people’s
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>> um spaces, we finally have our first storefront um in Neapville. I don’t know
48:57
how they let us in, but they did. And uh so yeah, we’re just so I saw it, too.
49:03
>> Yeah. Yeah, exactly. It was almost uh Dr. Derry spot.
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>> We were working together on
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>> That’s right. So yeah, we’re so excited.
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>> We’ll still tag team it a little bit. Exactly. make some YouTube videos there
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or something.
49:13
>> Yeah. Oh, that would be great. I would love that actually. It would look cool
49:15
for your for your content. I think that’d be awesome.
49:17
>> For both of our content, not just me.
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>> Yeah. Yeah, you’re right. I know. I got to get
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better at that.
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>> Post it on me. Yeah. Whatever.
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>> Um but yeah, we’re so excited. Um we have our own Phoenix Sports Empire
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location now. It’s at uh 32 Foxcraftoft, Sweet 108. So, anyone watching this,
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come on down, check us out, and uh I’d love for you to come visit. It’s a
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really cool spot. We made it look unique. We have classes seven days a
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week. We have youth classes, classes in MMA, boxing, kickboxing, and jiu-jitsu.
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So, uh it’s been a ton of fun and uh it’s like a dream come true to have our
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own spot and to have it have our energy and our mentality, our approach to
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combat sports. Um you know me, I’m kind of stubborn. I when how I want to
50:01
operate the business and now I get to fully operate the way that I think is
50:04
best for our members. And so far, we’re all so happy, man. So, we’re
50:08
>> What are your hours? Are they Are you there all the time? All day, every day?
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>> We, you know, we do one-on-one lessons throughout the day, and then we usually
50:15
have group classes in the evening, during the week, and in the afternoon,
50:18
during the weekend. So,
50:20
>> you have the schedule on the
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>> We have the schedule on our website. Yeah. Phoenix Sportsmpire.com.
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>> Great website.
50:24
>> Yes. Please come check us out. And, uh, you could text us 331-481-6441.
50:30
Um, and we’ll get back. If you have any questions or any complaints or any
50:34
insults you want to throw at us, just text that number and we’ll get back to
50:38
you.
50:39
>> Yeah, man. We’re easy to find in Neighborville. We’re everywhere. We have
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our websites. We have I mean, I’ll link it in the YouTube description, man.
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Thank you so much. Your website, all that, which I think I have been doing
50:48
anyway. Hopefully, they have. I think so. I think they should be on there. If
50:51
not, not Instagram. We collaborate on I tag you and stuff all the time. Again,
50:54
we’re easy to find in April. So, like
50:57
>> art of PT, sports and performance PT. Uh, that’s my practice where I help
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active people, athletes around Neapville. We’re, you know, we’re in
51:06
Neapville. We’re deep in it. So, if you guys are in the area, surrounding
51:09
suburbs, too. So, we’re there to help. If you want to learn some martial arts,
51:12
some com some boxing, jiu-jitsu, hit up Ramy. If you have back pain, neck pain,
51:16
shoulder pain,
51:17
>> whatever pain, postsurgical pain,
51:20
>> um, and you’re an active person or you’re an athlete, come check me out.
51:23
Again, I’m easy to find as well. Like, my website’s on here. You can contact me
51:26
through Instagram. Um, I’m on Threads, which I keep telling you to go on and
51:31
never use Right. You’re right.
51:33
>> You know, we gota tag team some of these combos. Um, follow me on there.
51:38
Instagram, like I said, apt drg. My website is www.artofpt.com.
51:46
Uh, what else do I have to plug? Uh, my newsletter, which is free every
51:50
Thursday. Every other Thursday. It’s free. Like I said, just sign up. It’s in
51:55
the description on the YouTube uh channel and in this video. Um it’s all
52:01
things sports medicine, rehab, um busting rehab myths, stuff like that.
52:06
It’s great. You’ll love it. It’s short. It’s not super long. Um I think that’s
52:11
it, man. Anything else you want to plug? Should we plug?
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>> Uh I want to thank all my students and coaches who helped us get the new space
52:19
ready. Man, they were amazing. I am the least handy person on earth. I cannot
52:24
even like
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>> hang up a picture, right? So, without my students, um, we wouldn’t have the So, I
52:30
want to I mentioned Michael who was at the forefront of everything, but
52:34
Michael, uh, Lisa for helping
52:36
>> cut mats so that they fit our space. Like, this is something I have no Yeah,
52:41
she’s brilliant. Lisa, Michael, um, Sophie for helping with painting. Coach
52:46
Brooks for helping with painting. Shout out to them.
52:48
>> Uh, Aaron for helping with painting. Danny, uh, Angel, uh, I hope I’m not
52:53
forgetting anyone. Pedro, uh, thank you to for everybody who came down to help
52:57
us get the new gym, um, ready. Emmer, for Coach Enrique, Coach Haimey, thank
53:03
you guys for everything you do for PSC. Um, I wouldn’t be here without our
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members and our coaches. We’re just so lucky, so fortunate. So, thank you to
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everybody. Thank you to all of our members, too, because
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>> you are the only reason we can have our own space. So, thank you so much for
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helping me, you know, make my my dream a reality. I’m I’m I’m grateful. I really
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appreciate it.
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>> That’s awesome, isn’t it? Isn’t it fun building this stuff?
53:26
>> Yes. Oh, and Asha for helping me run the business, which I have no idea how to
53:30
do. So, thank goodness she’s there. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Right, for helping
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me run the business. Yeah. Thank you so much,
53:36
>> Awesome, dude. I I love that you have your own space. I’m super happy for you.
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And again, I’ll be there uh whenever,
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>> but we got to record some content there. We’ll do something.
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>> I’d love to.
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>> And we’ll get Brian involved back there.
53:46
>> Oh, that’d be awesome, man. That’d be awesome. But yeah, uh that’s it. We’ll
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talk to you guys next time. Peace.